• SpaceDogs@lemmygrad.mlOP
      33·
      25 days ago

      Im all for pivoting away from the US but it’s a shame that basically the only alternative partners Canadians think about are the EU and other global north countries. We were actually talking about other trade partners to replace the US in my polisci class last week (will make a post about it) and the only alts were EU and tentatively China.

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
        36·
        25 days ago

        It’s obvious that China is the country we should really be creating ties with because it’s the only credible alternative power. Unfortunately, the amount of brainwashing that’s been done for decades ensures that we’re going to have tepid relations at best.

        I really think Brian Berletic is correct when he says the whole ‘break up’ is just a circus, and what’s really happening is burden sharing. Europe and Canada are gonna get saddled with the war in Ukraine. We’ve already committed to sending 90bln there, and we’re going to be making drones for the war. It should be obvious to anybody with even a minimally functioning brain that none of that is in Canada’s interest, and that we’re going to be forced into austerity along with the Europeans. We’re still entirely dependent on the trade with the US, our military is married with them at the hip, and there’s not a shred of sovereignty left here.

        The whole theatre about the US and Canada having a split is very effective at convincing the public to rally behind Carney, and most people have no clue regarding the economic situation in the EU, and don’t understand that we’re going to be on the hook for funding the war now. Carney sold the myth that we’re creating some middle power alliance, which is absurd beyond belief.

        My hope is that Russia wins in Ukraine and the EU implodes before any of this can be put into action, because otherwise we’re in for some really dark times here.

      • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
        126·
        25 days ago

        Honestly, even as a supporter of China I think a strong EU could be a good thing in the pursuit of a multipolar world.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmygrad.ml
          50·
          25 days ago

          Completely disagree. The EU is a cancerous neoliberal project that’s actively trying to start WW3 right now. The sooner that atrocity collapses economically, the better it is for the rest of the world.

          • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
            11·
            24 days ago

            I made this post when I was drunk and I think I had a point but I don’t really remember what it was

            • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
              23·
              24 days ago

              Okay I’m drunk again. My point was that it’s in the best interest of China to maintain a balanced world economy. Neither we nor China is pursuing a future where China takes over from the U.S. as world hegemon - and, in fact, I believe that a lack of strong competitors would put stress on China’s political system and ultimately incentivize them towards Imperialist policy. This is why China does not pursue Hegemony, but instead Multipolarity.

              The EU as it exists is a reactionary force and is bad for Europeans, yes, but insofar as it serves as a counterweight to U.S. interests in the West and as a willing trade and diplomatic partner to China, a strong Europe is a net benefit to the world as a whole.

              In other words, the point of my post was that it is better for Western interests to be split between the U.S. and EU rather than just being consolidated under the U.S. and it’s international organizations (such as NATO).

              • Cletus@lemmygrad.ml
                7·
                24 days ago

                Hilarious thread. China really be doing its best to heard cats. Hopefully it goes well. But I doubt it.

                Liberals “Its a great mystery why China prevented an oil crisis by decreasing imports”

                Xi if you’re reading this im trying to signal to you that I can hopefully be part of the the expedited re educations programs.

                Hopefully I’m not encouraging a bender but I fear I am.

              • darkernations@lemmygrad.ml
                5·
                23 days ago

                a lack of strong competitors would put stress on China’s political system and ultimately incentivize them towards Imperialist policy

                I would consider (re-?) studying the ML conception of how imperialism comes to be.

                For example, if any mechanisms of the welfare state in Europe, example universal health care such as NHS in the UK, are not sufficient pressures* to turn those capitalist countries away from imperialism, should we then reconsider that capital mechanisms within a socialist state isn’t runaway train to imperialism with or without competition from other capitalist countries? Capitalist countries are not the check on imperialism for other countries socialist or not; they are only a check on at most who gets the last word on where the most concentration of capital ends up in and where underdevelopment is maxmised as an expense to the global south.

                (Eg WWII did not stop German - as part of a Western Hegemon - imperialism on the global stage, it only confirmed its shift of centre to the US)

                In fact capitalist pressure is the opposite, it is to promote capitalism including in China (though failing).

                Maybe consider studying the autodynamism aspect of dialectical materialism; for me personally Thinking In Systems by Meadows helped a great deal.

                *they’re not pressures against imperialism at all (1) in practice, unfortunately, when you reduce western workers’ precarity as a whole their solidarity collectively with the global south proleteriat goes away with it (2) welfare state means those aspects the welfare state is targeting is somewhat removed from markets for capital to exploit, so capital chases investment in markets outside the border (3) that welfare state is being subsidised through the superexploitation of the global south via the unequal exchange.

                Hope that helped.

                • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
                  2·
                  22 days ago

                  I think what I meant was more that, if China has a stronger trade relationship with Canada, it would incentivize China to support Canada and become complicit in its Imperialist policies.

              • GreatSquare@lemmygrad.ml
                3·
                23 days ago

                The EU as it exists is a reactionary force and is bad for Europeans, yes, but insofar as it serves as a counterweight to U.S. interests in the West and as a willing trade and diplomatic partner to China, a strong Europe is a net benefit to the world as a whole.

                Is it though? (Pressing X to Doubt)

                It’s no counterweight to the US. And it’s not a willing trade and diplomatic partner to China.

        • Lenin's Dumbbell @lemmygrad.ml
          121·
          24 days ago

          Disagree big time.

          I think people forget that EU is nothing but the US from a different Era.

          The crimes EU countries have committed combined probably dwarf the US.

          For some reason, they gloss over that fact. Honestly, as a third worlder, I look forward to the EU collapsing and imploding just as much as I look forward to the US’ demise.

          And I hope the people suffer a great deal at least for a few decades, so it’s drilled into their head what their institutions were doing to the third world while they were at brunch.