The computer has been fine

It had not.

It will probably continue to be fine .

It would not.

once the op gets a heatsink on their ssd

If you put a heatsink in an oven set to 100C, does it become cooler? Technically, yes, but- “LA LA LA I CANT HEAR YOU!!!”

They did not ask us to help them price out and build a new computer

“Doctor, I’m here for medication for my 4 year long bloody cough.”

“Here are your antibiotics and some benadryl. Off you go!” (In comic book villain voice: "You fool! You should’ve known to ask for an x-ray, ct and all the other doctor-ey things only I could know about! Only a matter of time now rubs hands gleefully as maniacal laughter echoes)

Also, a shitty case with 2 well positioned fans would still have leagues better airflow for a fraction of the cost of a 1TB ssd and a fraction of a fraction of replacing the entire pc.

There’s uh, also a pretty flagrant degree of classism in your replies that might not go over well on the left wing servers like ml. Just be aware.

Is it classism to call someone an asshole for falsely claiming to have experience they do not, defying reason for the sake of ego and all at the expense of someone else? Because if it is, you’re still an asshole.

EDIT: Wait. you’re right. Even if I was working with your inflated analogy where you likened yourself to a trauma surgeon, comparing you to a janitor was disparaging to extremely hard working people everywhere. I take it back. You’re not a janitor. You’re the guy that keeps finding their way into the operating theater and masturbating ferociously in the corner.

What does the present +22C leap from expected idle ssd temps signify? How much energy does this take, where is it coming from and how much do you expect it to drop with even a puny 60mm fan circulating air in the area? What does not addressing this signify for overall system lifespan?

It doesn’t take much experience to get these answers right (which you have loads of!!!) but it does take skill to be this wilfully dense. Which puts you among that one group of people you always find in any newbie-oriented hardware forum, people who offer bad but seemingly well-meaning advice, but are well-meeaning only up to the point where they have to admit they are wrong at which point they do what you’re doing and double down for ego’s sake. This deserves ire.

FYI when a real trauma surgeon hears “heart problem”, they’re thinking beta blockers, blood thinners and vasodilators - you know, the stuff most cardiac patients take that would cause you to bleed out on the operating table without special precautions. An ironic demonstration of your inability to scratch beyond the surface of any given topic. I bet you don’t even clean the toilets properly.

They are Anti-AI but Linux kernel lead developer Linus Torvalds took a position of ‘The cat (AI) is out of the bag and not going back in, so it’s better to adapt than ban AI’ much to their chagrin.

‘karma’ = ‘you deserve this’ cue simpsons’ nelson laugh

3 dead ssds

67C idle ssd temps instead of ~45

OP mentions ‘other’ overheating components

Pics of a case that’s basically a cramped oven

Pics of ssd on back of case in dead air envt

Based on what we know about the pc it’s going fine

Dumbass.

Why not just wait and see how things turn out?

The knowledge and experience to reliably predict how this will end and empathy for anyone who has to deal with a PC sudden (or more likely slow and bizarre) death event.

There’s no need to continue to be insulting and confrontational.

Talks out their ass and defends it to the death when called out at the expense of OP

Okay dumbass.

Please stop peddling this sensationalist garbage. What the article throws out of proportion for clicks is that one dumbass from binance googled homebrew, clicked the first result (ad/scam), and then blindly ran the extremely suspicious command to “install” homebrow. AI had little to nothing to do with it.

Whether you’re for or against AI, garbage journalism like this should piss you off.

You’d be surprised how much of the internet works just fine without javascript enabled. Combined with an adblocker, it’s also often a better experience on some ad-infested news sites where ublock alone just doesn’t cut it.

You don’t have to employ a javascript whitelist if you don’t want to. I do and appreciate OP because of it.

Site requires javascript so I appreciate OP. If that doesn’t bother you, nothing’s stopping you from clicking the article.

They asked about how to stop losing ssds in an environment with passive cooling and the answer is a heatsink.

Their pc has vents and is designed to rely on passive cooling. Perhaps it will last a long time, perhaps not.

And how’s that going considering 3 ssd failures and current idle temp of 67C versus the expected 40’s? You’re clearly not so dumb that you don’t know that a heatspreader will have its limits when you’re up against dead air so this is plainly what’s called being wilfully obtuse. And OP is the one who will suffer for it.

rushing into the operating theater to disrupt an in progress remediation of gunshot trauma to inform the staff that the persons heart disease is a big deal

Funny, I’d liken your advice to putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound. But keep telling yourself you’re a trauma surgeon and not the janitor in a lab coat that OP was unfortunate enough to stumble into. Learn to admit when you’re wrong.

also flip than fan around so it’s blowing air into the PC

nice catch.

Jeebus that’s one heckuva wall of text. I skimmed:

ca glue

When it comes to the broader “superglue” you mentioned, I’ve used several that create a bond by melting the surfaces it’s applied to. I get it - you were trying to get across “metal good” and “superglue” just gets across easier. But if you knew the horror stories I’ve seen in the process of helping thousands of newbies troubleshoot hardware issues, you wouldn’t be so flippant about your instructions.

Based on the ops own post, the ssd is idling at 67 or so c. We wanna keep it below 90 for [explanation redacted].

the heat is coming from inside the ssd

OP’s ssd that should be idling in the 40C range is idling at 67C. Do you think addressing just the ssd temps with a heatsink will solve OP’s issue or is there some core problem that needs to be addressed before we even start talking about ssd load temps? With 3 ssd failures so far and unaddressed heat issues in other components reported by OP, how long do you think OP’s motherboard, PSU or other components are going to last?

You have a reply saying that a heatsink won’t fix the problem. That person is deadass wrong.

I’m assuming you mean me. I suggest you read what I wrote again before you apply your “years of experience” because your terrible advice will leave OP with a dead PC in a couple years at best. I’m not saying an nvme heatsink won’t reduce the ssd’s temps. I’m saying you’re setting a heatgun at 100C, aiming it at the nvme and now attempting to fix the “heat issue” with a heatsink. The nvme temps are the tree in the forest and OP is better off addressing the core problem, airflow, which will both reduce nvme temps and prolong the life of the entire pc.

The problem is that the ssd gets hot when it does stuff. A passive heatsink provides more thermal mass and more surface area with a greater capacity to transfer its heat into the air. That will, 100% improve things.

Wrong. The SSD also gets hot when the rest of the PC “does stuff”, including the cpu and/or gpu which are often the leading contributers to internal temps. More thermal mass and surface area will mean little if the ambient temps are high. You have all these case manufacturers making high end cases with 8+ fan mounts for a reason - because of how important moving hot air away from the hardware components is. Your solution will absolutely not improve things a 100%.

I am speaking from years of experience when I say the following: a half inch nut from the hardware store superglued to the package

Please don’t do this OP. Superglue typically bonds two materials via chemical reaction and will damage your hardware, removal will also be a nightmare depending on the glue. I’m assuming OP wanted to say thermal adhesive but superglue sounds more “hack-ey” when trying to impress a novice I guess.

Your doubts are warranted. Heatsinks at best drop component temps to ambient temps, so the heat from the cpu and gpu in such a tightly packed environment will severely limit any benefit it can offer. So this is sort of like debating whether to upgrade from 2" plastic wheels to 3" rubber/steel wheels on a pickup truck.

Heat is the enemy of electronics and considering the cost of internal components, investing in even an ultra-budget case with 2-3 fan mounts and some fans will always be worth it. Because if the motherboard dies tomorrow, most people would find themselves up shitts creek without a paddle.

every single published study shows that AI makes developers worse.

Can’t thank you enough for this list!!! I asked anti AI folks and the best I got was a study on AI assisted essay writing with 8 people per control group. The rest were insults, mockery, shifting goalposts, so naturally, as someone who just arrived at the fence, I found myself siding with the less troll-ey side. My guess is this is more an issue of “worse than an enemy is an incompetent ally” because any single study in your list would have done it for me.

This study has some positives on AI use in coding, but I’d exercise caution due to the tabloid-ey nature of using the term “AI-slop” everywhere in a study that’s supposed to be unbiased.

page 9’s wording does state that it is maintainer-estimated, and specifies the terms “low-quality” and “slop” as the qualifier for the 25% figure

I’m not seeing it. This is the sole relevant statement on pg 9 where they simply define AI slop in a general way that avoids tying it in with their measurements:

“AI slop” are low quality AI-generated contributions that are unlikely to be worth the review time they demand.

In addition to the explicit ‘and/or general AI use’ statement, there are several red flags here that make me think this is a low quality study to be taken with salt. Or maybe I’m cynical and using the term ‘slop’ to push a research study is both unusual and suspect.

you’ll see that “slop” in the survey does not refer to AI-driven PRs in general, but to specifically low-quality AI-generated PRs.

This part is actually unclear. The question posed to survey participants that allowed researchers to determine a PR was “AI slop” is left out of the report. And this line under the chart showing “25% slop etc.” is troubling:

Average estimated percentage of incoming PRs that are low-quality and/or AI-generated

How this particular question was framed is of critical importance here and without it, it’s easy to assume that all reported AI use was broadly categorized as “slop”

Sadly I could not find a way to access the full list of questions used in the survey to confirm this.

It looks like it was more of a survey and afaict, participants weren’t given an opportunity to distinguish between “AI slop” and high quality AI assisted contributions (so were all AI contributions reported as “slop”?!)

To answer your other questions, this is the relevant part:

Across the board, genAI reduces estimated task time across all six measured activities in the pooled sample, with the largest gains in code authoring (−52%) and code review & feedback (−44%), and smaller but still meaningful reductions in technical discussion (−20%) and discussion on proposals (−19%)

Productivity gains are most often reinvested in addressing technical debt [66%], adding new features [63%], and learning/upskilling [58%] … genAI productivity is invested right back into OSS projects. In other words, genAI is not shrinking the overall OSS workload so much as reallocating it toward highervalue and longer-deferred work, from debt paydown to skill-building.

It’s not all clear weather and blue skies though. My interpretation of the findings is that there definitely are challenges to address, but also that those that take the effort to address and integrate AI usage see the most in terms of net positives.

You can download the full report here.

tiring

Hate to tell you this but that’s probably a core feature here.

Someone was trying to argue here that code is less about what it actually does and more about the feelings that drove them (as distinct from thought processes or motivating logic behind them) and since AI betrays this, must AI disclosure blah blah!!!

Once arguments have entered the realm of absurdity and legitimate discourse is overshadowed by bad faith discussions of shifting goalposts and gish gallops, the only question that remains is who stands to gain the most from the english speaking world being slow to adopt AI.

Once reasonable heads have left the room and decline to discuss any topic on AI (because they expect the toxic environment devoid of reason), only agenda driven collectives and a handful of their useful idiots will steer future discourse.

What would be the point of jumping through these hoops in the first place? As OP pointed out, the disclosure requirement is itself irrelevant due to the amount of scrutiny the code goes through. So we’re forcing disclosure to… shame AI users? Discourage its use?

The quoting bit is just me teasing you and the edit was just that I said “you” when I should’ve said “they” in the first sentence. Sorry to disappoint, I guess.

Also, accusing others of deleting or editing their comments while using an account that isn’t even a month old kinda looks like projection.

Interesting interpretation of my comment. Do you often feel that people on the internet are out to get you?

You said I “argued for” open source, copyleft and how copyright should not exist at all.

I’m not OP. But I think OP has you pegged.

I get why the quoting bothers you, but ime, people with a particular style of ‘reasoning’ tend to go back and edit or delete all of their comments.