Bazzite is not immutable, and SteamOS is as mainstream as it gets while being A/B root immutable.
All of them ship Flathub because it’s ready for public consumption.
If the attempt here is to argue that cloud native isn’t mainstream and change topics from flathub, you are proudly in a bubble of 3% of the computing industry while your peers in the Linux server space and Android run circles around you.
If they behave anything like what Fedora did, yes.
OBS chose Flathub as their official default supported option for their software. Fedora took that software, modified it to update dependencies they weren’t ready to use yet, and then put it on their store in a completely broken state with all of OBS’s trademarks intact and in a way that made it preferred over the official one, and then fought OBS over removing it for months while it racked up support requests from unsuspecting users (victims of Fedora’s shitty policies).
That’s irrelevant to this conversation
The legal threats were credible and resulted in yet more wasted developer time removing that package instead of the entire useless repo.
You’re forgetting that millions of Steam Deck consoles have been sold and all of them are flathub exclusive.
On top of that you have: Mint, Vanilla OS, Endless OS, OpenMandriva, PopOS!, Clear Linux, PureOS, ZorinOS, KDE Neon, GNOME OS, Salix, and many others all shipping flathub by default.
Fedora is in a very exclusive group of distros dumb enough to ship their own flatpak repo.
Bringing up Distrowatch stats and “Echo chamber” in the same comment is the most absurd thing I’ve seen this year.
They’re already mainstream, any belief otherwise is ridiculous to the point of being parody.
Meanwhile you have Fedora getting legal threats because they’re shipping broken software in their own flatpak repo that exists only to waste developer time and project resources at the expense of its users and their experience.
No it’s still unfiltered, we just removed 3 footguns that are pre-installed in the image anyway.
Second best selling consumer Linux platform on the planet, second only to Android.
Bazzite is popular precisely because we ignore bad opinions such as these. Flathub is mainstream and all the whinging in the world isn’t going to change that.
distrobox is not a vm
Let’s agree to disagree. I think it’s the single best thing to come to the desktop in the last decade and using containers as build environments has made my workflow immensely better.
Our documentation guy cooked so hard he got burnt out, please read them they’re excellent.
Legitimately if you’re a programmer and you think using a container is a pain in the ass, you should stop programming.
Source: 20 plus years software engineer, if I didn’t have containers I would go ahead and hurry along my retirement.
Bro I’m the lead developer and I’m just now seeing this, just accept you called the viral marketing wrong.
We’ve grown to the point that when I market something, I tell people not to listen to me because I’m biased.
I’m not sure how you’ve decided the term is vague but it doesn’t matter, it’s a decade old term with an entire foundation built around it that’s part of the Linux Foundation.
You should tell them it’s vague. The truth is users with your opinion are not a growth target, I’ve dealt with maybe three of you in over 9 million downloads.
I appreciate the input. You and I had the same opinion which is actually why I went with container native in the first place. I was trying to avoid the word cloud because I felt that some gamers would misconstrue it.
The reason I’ve changed it back and made it accurate is that I feel we have reached the point of saturation where some benefit of the doubt is present, and the word cloud may lead people to look twice rather than just run away.
I did make sure to watch our numbers before and after that change and I saw no discernible difference in bounce rate or ISO download growth rate. In fact in a previous comment in this thread I said we had 400TB/no in ISOs - That is now 460TB not even a couple days later.
One other way to look at it to is it benefits us twofold, in one sense we’re getting cloud nerds like you and me interested in a fun new toy that is directly in our wheelhouse (and we want those, cloud nerds are quality engineers and contributors), and in another, we’re showing both windows users and existing Linux users an ironically lesser known part of Linux among desktop users – cloud native – despite it being probably the biggest money maker in Linux. People can contribute to Bazzite who might have never done anything in the Linux space before and accidentally find themselves on the path to a real paying Linux job.
I’ll check it out, thanks
Thanks! Our entire ujust/first run process is very much a work in progress and we’re trying to improve it asap.
We are averaging 400TB/mo in ISOs and it’s increasing. If lay-users are turning away in numbers greater than random noise I’m not seeing it. If Linux users who argue about definitions of already defined words on Lemmy are – that’s not a growth target.
I got to buzzword and then I gave up reading. I’m going to go ahead and continue to double down on it until I don’t see comments like this.
Multiple definitions have been provided, there is an entire cloud native computing foundation of which members of it are part of Universal Blue, and it’s an incredibly common thing in any professional paid Linux job. I understand a small subset of users (Most of which are going to be Windows Gamers) might think cloud native means it’s running in the cloud, but the website quite literally links to something that says that’s not the case, and I’m okay suffering a few people not getting it.
Yes, we are. It’s exactly why it shouldn’t be done and why Fedora is the only project wasting their time with this.