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Look how all other data points of America’s enemies are handled. They’ve already trained western libs to shriek “wumao” at anyone who says anything positive about China. There’s no scenerio where capitalist media suddenly stops doing the thing media exists under capitalism to do.
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them.
If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
I mean, it’s more than just media, but actual facts. Just like the information you’re sharing here, others could do the same should China choose to protect freedom of speech.
I’ve had people I know IRL dismiss things I’m seeing first hand because it contradicts what they’ve been lead to believe. But more frequently, they don’t even get that far, instead its some crazy mental gymnastics to maintain their cartoonish caricature of a country of a billion people.
The people who uncritically believe “China destroys all motorcycles after 13 years” or “eat eggs soaked in piss” because they saw it on reddit doesn’t care about reality, only that this weird foreign place is bad.
They don’t care about the chinese struggles, only its utility as hostile evidence.
It’s a variation of the observation that you can make the most ridiculous statement imaginable, and people will believe it as long as you add, “in Japan” to the end.
Example: “Local governments erect defenses against giant monsters, in Japan.”
I am not asking you to answer for anything, I am stating how the media ecosystem operates under capitalism. China stops censoring anyone who isn’t saying shit actual nazis/Elon Musk would want you to believe, and then every nazi gets a platform in western media whitewashing their views. We see this today with Shen Yun and Falun Gong.
China doesn’t censor them and they get a platform talking about how much China wants to censor them.
China’s people’s struggles is 100% divorced from the western perception of China.
China’s people’s struggles is 100% divorced from the western perception of China
No they absolutely are not, and to argue otherwise is to out yourself as a shill.
We all see clear as day that their people are persecuted for expressing themselves. Anything said against the CCP is punished. You’re literally sitting here arguing in favor of their suppressive tactics, and then pretending they don’t exist or matter.
No, I’m sorry. It doesn’t work on me and it shouldn’t on anyone with a brain. Please stop shitting up Lemmy with your propagandist bullshit.
We all see clear as day that their people are persecuted for expressing
Which view exactly do you think is being unjustly censored? Chinese people have talked to me about the issue of censorship, but when its a westerner who has never been to China 100% of the time its some fascist they think is a paragon of western values. Same effect can be observed in Russia; Putin is a literal fascist, but the only person random westerners cared about Putin oppressing is another fascist.
You’re allowed to criticize the government, you’re just not allowed to call to overthrow it, which is also how it works everywhere else. Try and call to overthrow the US government and see the limits of your speech lol. Or hell, just be anti Zionist. The free speech we have or don’t have in our countries depends on what’s convenient for the big capitalists, whatever freedoms we have to criticize our governments is a pressure valve.
Look how all other data points of America’s enemies are handled. They’ve already trained western libs to shriek “wumao” at anyone who says anything positive about China. There’s no scenerio where capitalist media suddenly stops doing the thing media exists under capitalism to do.
“During the cold war, the anticommunist ideological framework could transform any data about existing communist societies into hostile evidence. If the Soviets refused to negotiate a point, they were intransigent and belligerent; if they appeared willing to make concessions, this was but a skillful ploy to put us off our guard. By opposing arms limitations, they would have demonstrated their aggressive intent; but when in fact they supported most armament treaties, it was because they were mendacious and manipulative. If the churches in the USSR were empty, this demonstrated that religion was suppressed; but if the churches were full, this meant the people were rejecting the regime’s atheistic ideology. If the workers went on strike (as happened on infrequent occasions), this was evidence of their alienation from the collectivist system; if they didn’t go on strike, this was because they were intimidated and lacked freedom. A scarcity of consumer goods demonstrated the failure of the economic system; an improvement in consumer supplies meant only that the leaders were attempting to placate a restive population and so maintain a firmer hold over them. If communists in the United States played an important role struggling for the rights of workers, the poor, African-Americans, women, and others, this was only their guileful way of gathering support among disfranchised groups and gaining power for themselves. How one gained power by fighting for the rights of powerless groups was never explained. What we are dealing with is a nonfalsifiable orthodoxy, so assiduously marketed by the ruling interests that it affected people across the entire political spectrum.”
I mean, it’s more than just media, but actual facts. Just like the information you’re sharing here, others could do the same should China choose to protect freedom of speech.
I’ve had people I know IRL dismiss things I’m seeing first hand because it contradicts what they’ve been lead to believe. But more frequently, they don’t even get that far, instead its some crazy mental gymnastics to maintain their cartoonish caricature of a country of a billion people.
The people who uncritically believe “China destroys all motorcycles after 13 years” or “eat eggs soaked in piss” because they saw it on reddit doesn’t care about reality, only that this weird foreign place is bad.
They don’t care about the chinese struggles, only its utility as hostile evidence.
It’s a variation of the observation that you can make the most ridiculous statement imaginable, and people will believe it as long as you add, “in Japan” to the end.
Example: “Local governments erect defenses against giant monsters, in Japan.”
Are you telling me this wasn’t built to deal with Japan’s kaijiu problem?
It’s fair for you to think that, but I shouldn’t have to answer for the ignorance of others.
My point still stands where if China supported freedom of speech, we would hear about it beyond the reach of mainstream Western media.
I am not asking you to answer for anything, I am stating how the media ecosystem operates under capitalism. China stops censoring anyone who isn’t saying shit actual nazis/Elon Musk would want you to believe, and then every nazi gets a platform in western media whitewashing their views. We see this today with Shen Yun and Falun Gong.
China doesn’t censor them and they get a platform talking about how much China wants to censor them.
China’s people’s struggles is 100% divorced from the western perception of China.
No they absolutely are not, and to argue otherwise is to out yourself as a shill.
We all see clear as day that their people are persecuted for expressing themselves. Anything said against the CCP is punished. You’re literally sitting here arguing in favor of their suppressive tactics, and then pretending they don’t exist or matter.
No, I’m sorry. It doesn’t work on me and it shouldn’t on anyone with a brain. Please stop shitting up Lemmy with your propagandist bullshit.
Which view exactly do you think is being unjustly censored? Chinese people have talked to me about the issue of censorship, but when its a westerner who has never been to China 100% of the time its some fascist they think is a paragon of western values. Same effect can be observed in Russia; Putin is a literal fascist, but the only person random westerners cared about Putin oppressing is another fascist.
It’s not about “unjust” censorship. Censorship at all is enough to criticize. That’s what freedom of speech is all about.
That said, I already mentioned that anyone who criticized the CCP is punished. You need to try harder.
I’m ignoring you now because your propagandist bullshit is too much. Fuck off. Idiot.
No that’s not true.
Yeah no, censoring nazis and the right wing in general is good actually.
You’re allowed to criticize the government, you’re just not allowed to call to overthrow it, which is also how it works everywhere else. Try and call to overthrow the US government and see the limits of your speech lol. Or hell, just be anti Zionist. The free speech we have or don’t have in our countries depends on what’s convenient for the big capitalists, whatever freedoms we have to criticize our governments is a pressure valve.