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    A friend set me up on a date with a coworker of him. then she spent about 20 minutes drawing my astral chart. She had notes, books and even an iPad app.

    Eventually she concluded we were not compatible, while I concluded the same thing about 20 seconds in.

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      I like to think of astrology as a fine grained personality shorthand like Meyers Briggs.

      the magical star-assigned fixed personality is dumb. what’s useful is being able to tell Becky to stop being such a Capricorn and come out and party, even if she is a cancer or whatever. it’s just a memey way to reference behavioral traits if your friend group already knows what they mean. i don’t know how to explain this any better

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          Early in our dating, my wife had me take the enneagram test. I got a 2, she’s a 9. I told her I found a page detailing relationships between 2’s and 9’s and some of the strengths and weaknesses we’d navigate as a couple.

          As I was reading it she kept saying, at first, “That makes sense!” Or “Yeah I can see that.” There were a few that were kind of out there. But she kept listening.

          Eventually I revealed to her that I was ACTUALLY reading a page detailing relationships between a dragon and a sheep, our respective Chinese Zodiac signs. And that I was using this to support my argument that personality tests are astrology for educated people.

          Still ended up getting laid, though not that day. 😅

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            Personally I do find it interesting, when people do tell their Myers-Briggs -test results, since it can tell about, what sort of a person they want to be. But it is not scientific in the slightest.

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          It’s clearly pseudoscientific nonsense. But it’s easier to say “I’m a pisces” instead of “I’m feeling hesitant about the future of our relationship, Sarah” if she is into that. The value is in being able to reference loose personality archetypes without having to spend a paragraph describing someone.

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            But being a Pisces doesn’t mean anything, does it? It could both mean being someone who is afraid of risks and someone who is bold and takes chances.

            How is it easier?

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              it means what people want it to mean.

              And that’s why Astrology is so powerful. it’s 100% projection and bias confirmation.

              ‘take chances’ is entirely relative. what is a bold risk for one person, is an afterthought for another person, but in astrology there is no specific context, just vague nonsense worded such that anyone can project onto it.

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              It’s all contextual, honestly, but here are my impressions of the uh, categories:

              Pisces: wishy washy, both sides, indecisive, peacemaker, likes blue stuff

              Capricorn: hustle culture, hates fun

              Taurus: confident, aggressive, clumsy, bro-ish

              I don’t have any others on deck without looking them up lol

              Edit: oh my god you guys. the magical star-assigned fixed personality is dumb. what’s useful is being able to tell Becky to stop being such a Capricorn and come out and party, even if she is a cancer or whatever. it’s just a memey way to reference behavioral traits if your friend group already knows what they mean. i don’t know how to explain this any better

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            The problem is that you’re not really referencing “loose personality archetypes” in these sorts of conversations, they’re being assigned to you, relatively arbitrarily. It doesn’t matter if I’m serious and thoughtful, but because I was born on the third moon after the pomegranate harvest, I’m the joker of the group.

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              No, I think it’s pretty reasonable to push back if you’re being pigeonholed into some kind of archetype you disagree with. Tell them to stop being such Capricorns. The trick is it doesn’t really matter what sign you use, it’s just a bit

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        A trait can apply to anyone in any category. The whole premise is an exercise in the celebration of ignorance. I won’t stand for it.

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        You forgot the part about how it’s determined by giant balls of gas millions of light years away that aren’t actually arranged in neat patterns, but are actually incredibly far from one another and only look like patterns from our specific position in the universe

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        That argument falls flat to me simply because there are 13 zodiac signs, not 12, and ancient (and modern) astrologers simply ignore the 13th one (Ophiuchus) for convenience.

        If you are going to claim the stars have influence over our personalities, at least be consistent with how you “read” said stars.

        Not to mention, there is zero evidence that astrology works.

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          Also, at the time most of the zodiac and star chart arrangements were plotted out, the Earth had an entirely different north star than it does now. So your modern star sign would not even be consistent with the ancient charts and star signs, yet somehow all the same definitions and assumptions are supposed to apply.

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            I can appreciate that view point as long as we are in agreement that there is no real science behind it. I can totally see how people use “I’m such a Pisces” to describe themselves as sensitive and emotional. I just wish they would say “I’m sensitive and emotional” instead, lol.

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              I tried to express that as clearly as I could, it’s just like a more ethical version of Slytherin/gryffindor/etc, I tend to be friends with excessively referential people I guess.

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      Dated a girl and, while we were walking through the park, she points up at the sky. “Oh look, Chemtrails”. I absolutely bust up laughing, because I assume I’ve accidentally stepped into a relationship with a conspiracy theorist. She looks incredibly confused. I explain what chemtrails are. She gets even more confused. We whip out our phones for a minute. She says, “Omg I meant contrails”

      She’s a lawyer at a white shoe firm now and makes, like, twice as much as I do in IT. Also, absolutely incredible in the sack.

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        First day of uni. Having lunch with 3 people.

        “Hey do any of you watch my little pony?”

        I burst out laughing. Turns out guy was super serious. He was convincing enough that he managed to get me to watch half of friendship is magic before I decided i would never talk to him again.

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        Oh wow, with all the memes I’ve only ever learned the word “chemtrails”. Don’t think I’ve ever seen the word “contrails” before, even though that certainly makes a lot more sense…

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      There are more stupid people than non-stupid people.

      Getting laid is a numbers game. You vastly reduce your chances if you start getting picky.

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        But maybe, just maybe, and I know I’m talking crazy here, but maybe if you weed out the ones that aren’t worthwhile your quality will go up.

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          for a lot of people being picky means they will never get laid. and that’s fine, if you can accept that.

          but they don’t. they are enraged by the lack of ‘quality’ people available to them. and offended by the abundance of low quality people available to them.

          the idea you can ‘raise your standards’ and get ‘better results’, in dating/mating, is mostly cope. Especially when you start looking at the statistics. truth is people really should lower them, and well, humble themselves. because most folks aren’t nearly as ‘hot’ as they perceive themselves to be.

          it’s also highly subjective. I attract a lot of very desirable women, but they aren’t desirable to me due to my own biases and lifestyle preferences. Just yesterday I got like half dozen likes from women on Hinge, but they all worked in finance or pharma, so I rejected them because for me working in those industries means ‘low quality’ just like believe in astrology. But if I wanted to get laid? Yeah I should get over that bias, those type of women really like me, even though I hate them. And I only developed this bias due to my younger years… repeatedly trying to date them and running into the same miserable issues again and again.

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        It’s a good thing nobody is doing that, then. Nowhere near half of women believe that nonsense.

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          Oh sorry, only 43% of women aged 18-49, I guess 43% is nowhere near half. I suppose if you’re a granny chaser then it is indeed only a quarter. If you’re into LGBT folks, it actually goes above 50% (over 60% for LGBT women).

          Since my own dating pool and most of my friendships are smack dab in the middle of that 18-49 demographic, I can tell you it’s easily around half of women around that age who believe in astrology, tarot or something else similar here in Estonia, so it’s not US specific either. Including a lot of otherwise very intelligent women. A master’s degree in a STEM field for example does not discourage one from believing in astrology by any means.

          Or perhaps you just don’t know enough women?

          Oh and men aren’t all innocent either. A fifth of men aged 18-49 believe in astrology or similar superstitions too. Less than half as many as women, but still a significant amount.

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            Wow that statistic is way more depressing than I realized. I guess I am lucky to only be surrounded by non-crazy women.

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              I suspect a lot of the women you know believe it but don’t talk about it unless prompted. Luckily the “oh you’re a whatever sign, it would never work” level of belief seems uncommon among even those who do believe.

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            We really need to distinguish between “stupid” opinions and “stupid” people.

            Very smart people can hold very stupid opinions in some aspects and the average person will certainly hold some stupid ass opinions not necessarily restricted to “spirituality”.

            My uncle was top of his class but fell for every mlm he encounterd, my dad is a capable businessman but believes a cut up onion in the window will get all viruses out of the air. I have so many examples like that.

            So half of women aren’t stupid but probably 100% of all people hold at least one stupid “believe” i think.

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            And 100% of gamers have pressed the randomize button to at the start of a game to see if it’s something they can identify with.

            Consulting Tarot has as much to do with thinking it’s scientifically real as flipping a coin has to do with making objective decisions.

            Astrology and personality tests that get sold to businesses and a ton of other “fake” things all work the same way: they propose things that are frequently or universally true and then invite people to look at in what ways they agree with them or how they fit current situations.

            Calling these things fake is the same as saying the personal reflections of people aren’t real.

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    I have a pretty large, coed friend group, and roughly 50% of the women are into astrology, while none of the men are. Personally, I could never date someone who took astrology seriously. Fortunately, unlike this meme tries to paint them, there are many women who don’t take astrology seriously.

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      my wife “believed” in astrology before and while we were first dating. she used it as an easy way to weed out which guys couldn’t get over themselves over a trivial difference in perspective and figure out how to compromise.

      turns out we would both read the astrology section of the newspaper growing up and giggle about how wrong it was. she just figured out a way to use it to find the right people.

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        Oh this is definitely the case. When I was younger, I was definitely the kind of guy to publicly ridicule things like astrology, and I learned that would make me no friends. Today I’d much rather surround myself with people who act kind to each other and accept each other. Y’all are totally on that same page.

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          yup. my idiot brother consciously made it his personality to dislike everything. he still can’t figure out why he doesn’t have friends. i’ve tried explaining how you build closer relationships over stuff you like rather than stuff you dislike. he doesn’t like that.

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    I have a female friend who is an Astronomer. I always call her Astrologer, especially at parties and such.

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    i roll my eyes at astrology but generally don’t mind a little “folk wisdom” if it helps people deal with the world, though of course it often doesn’t actually really help and just obscures the real reasons behind things.

    kinda similar to how i think a sincere belief in religion might actually help someone in many cases, but can also veil the world and make it less accessible.

    in the same vein is also folk or traditional medicine. i bet there are good insights in there, but also just a lot of bs. difficult to sift for gold.

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      how do you feel when it actively makes the world a worse place?

      because a lot of these folks believe in anti-vaccination and other crazy stuff that is actively harming other people and themselves.

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        I don’t think astrology begets antivax beliefs, though they do both fall under the woo-woo alternative health/spirituality umbrella. I know people who are into one or the other but not necessarily both.

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          It shows a lack of understanding which correlates nicely with other wrong beliefs, some of which are very harmful.

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          it doesn’t.

          but woo-woo beliefs are infiltrating every aspect of life, including places where they do not belong, like public health and the justice system. and that’s problematic for everyone.

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        then it’s harmful and should probably be stopped. ideally you’d have empirically verified folk wisdom, but then it isn’t folk wisdom anymore, just science.

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            One could build a similar site about all the harm medicine has caused also, (and I’m sure there is one out there). That doesn’t stop anyone from seeing a doctor when they are sick.

            Anything can be used in a harmful way to cause ill to others. All it takes is the want to and a bit of creativity and a slick story.

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            I mean, every single of these entries isn’t caused by astrology but by other nonsense.

            People fled because there was a warning of a cyclone, not because they believed in astrology.

            Numerology is not astrology. People believing in witches is not astrology. Scammers will use anything including astrology.

            And if those are the only examples, it really is less harmful then people make out.

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            Yeah man, I hear about those roving gangs of astrology girlies murdering people like all the time

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        Pretending to believe in astrology to get laid is kind of rapey by today’s standards.

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          What’s the difference in pretending to believe in astrology and pretending to be interested in anything else they’re saying?

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            I just hit them with the “Oh wow that’s crazy yeah I don’t really know much about all of that tbh”.

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              and what if the more drunk person threatens you if you don’t rape them? or worse, threatens to tell others you raped them if you don’t rape them?

              what do you do then? I’ve been in that situation a couple of times. Not a fun place to be. Sometimes doing the right thing gets you punished.

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            If the guy doesn’t believe as much it’s rape but if the woman doesnt believe as much it’s not.

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            Save yourself time and don’t lie about who you are.

            This is also job application advice. If you never smile in real life but you pretend to act bubbly for an entire interview: your ass better bubble like a pro if you’re hired.

            But ymmv

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              I bought an astrology tapestry when I was in university. I don’t buy into astrology really but the tapestry served its purpose.

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              what if the other person doesn’t believe the truth about who you are?

              personally, I’ve noticing people accusing me of lying when I’m telling the truth frequently. And when I lie, they think I’m telling the truth and never question it.

              Weird how that works.

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          We have been married for 46 years now. Despite the fact she was into astrology and I listened intensely to her about it in the beginning. It is called learning everything about each other. And if anyone was “rapey”, it was her. These days she laughs and says it was the rebellious catholic upbringing in her, (I still call her a recovering Catholic). And that I was oblivious to all the hints she was dropping in front of me.

          It all just one of the many shared memories we have together. I wouldn’t give any of them up for life itself.

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      Secret 4th option, there is so much worse you could believe in.

      Why let something as silly as that stop you from participating in a relationship that you might otherwise enjoy?

      As long as it’s not harmful why is it an issue?

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    I had several friends at school with the same birthday as me, so obviously we had the same personality and all the same stuff kept happening to us.

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    I used to be a bit of a dick about astrology. I still think it’s nonsense, but now I kinda view it as a structure for people to explore their own emotions and as a kind of authority struct to get people to treat those emotions as valid. Ultimately I feel like its no different than me sharing emo song lyrics with an “omg they understand me frfr” type message. Maybe the astrology believer isn’t upset because Venus is in retrograde or whatever, but they are upset their emotions are valid. I don’t gain anything from being a wet blanket about scientific accuracy in that situation, and they feel like I am invalidating their emotions if I choose to be that scientifically accurate wet blanket. Plus, retrograde is a dope word and I’m not sure if I’d know it if not for the crystal girls I’ve dated

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      yes. they want to feel their emotions are valid. even if they aren’t. Astrology and other theoretical systems also take the locus of control out of their own authority and place it in a higher authority to which they are subjected.

      and therein lies the problem. not every emotion is valid. some emotions are invalid. but if you aren’t responsible for the causes of your emotions… you’re not responsible for figuring out which ones are valid or invalid. they are something that happens to you, not something you control.

      and happy well-adjusted folks… learn to figure out which is which, and unhappy folks… can’t or won’t do this. and a huge part of therapeutic processes is … learning to identify and assess your own emotional states and whether or not to act on them.

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        Explains why I’m horribly unhappy I have Alexithymia.

        Don’t believe in astrology though.

        (Edit: also emotions can’t be “valid” or “invalid” they’re just the source of your motivations really.)

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          Emotions can be based in reality. Or they can be based in false perceptions of reality.

          That’s what makes them valid or invalid.

          Your fear of the boogeyman in the closet is invalid. Your fear of the drunk driver weaving around you on the highway is valid.

          Of course, if you don’t believe reality exists, or that reality is entirely derivation of your emotions, then yeah, you should be very very afraid and you should invest in anti-boogeyman man traps to put in your closet so he can’t get you at night.

          But of course, most of us would consider people who believe in boogeymen to be delusional. Delusion is a symptom of psychological problems. And delusional folks think it’s everyone else who is insane for not seeing the Boogeyman.

          people have lots and lots of emotions that are not based in external reality, many are based in fictions they make up in their heads. but of course, being able to recognize and admit that… is not a capability many folks develop. many folks never question their emotions at all.

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    Easy choice

    presses “gay” button

    Now I’m surrounded by superstitious lesbians

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      And I’m surrounded by Linux users.

      Edit: sorry, but that’s the gayest thing I could think of.

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        Associating operating systems/kernels with sexuality, hmmmmm… What would you assign to these?

        1. Windows from Microsoft (modern)
        2. [Mac/i/watch]OS (are they different?)
        3. Android (kernel changed enough that I consider it it’s own semi-compatible thing rather than Linux)
        4. [Open/Net/Free/Dragonfly/Ghost/Hardened/Midnight/MirOS /Fuguita ]BSD (are they different?)
        5. ArcaOS
        6. Haiku
        7. 9front
        8. Inferno64
        9. GNU Hurd
        10. MINIX
        11. RiscOS
        12. SerenityOS
        13. Redox
        14. PureDarwin

        edit: made list numbered

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          1. Straight

          2. Femboys

          3. Straight dude who thinks acting gay would get him invited to girl sleepovers.

          4. A pansexual who’s also Aromatic.

          5. The straight guy who’s into grannies.

          6. The guy who thinks they have a type, but their type would never date them.

          8.Aeroace but would set you up with their friend

          1. The gay who only wants to top

          2. Old grandad gay. Someone who wasn’t shy boning dudes back when they would’ve been executed for it.

          12 The kinda gay who would only hangout with people over 40.

          1. The bisexual who didn’t care exploring further cause they live in conservative environment(relatable)

          2. The guy who thinks applying nailpolish makes him gay.

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            6 days ago

            Hmmm, you are missing a few… also, PureDarwin is basically MacOS (you described “femboy”) with stereotypical linux userland (you described “gay”), I wonder how you got “straight” from that…