A large number of EU resolutions on Ukraine are being blocked by Hungary, said Lithuanian Foreign Minister Gabrielius Landsbergis.
Hungary is digging in and refusing to wave through billions in military aid for Ukraine, prompting growing dismay among other EU countries.
"I have to calm myself [when] I talk about this issue, because it’s getting really ridiculous now,” a senior EU diplomat said of the standoff with Hungary, speaking before Monday’s meeting of EU foreign ministers. “What’s happening is outrageous.”
Diplomats had hoped to have a new €6.6 billion package ready ahead of this week’s meetings of foreign and defense ministers in Brussels. The deal included €860 million for arms procurement, reported by POLITICO last week.
It is time to develop a way to remove nations who clearly don’t have the EU’s best interest at heart. Hungary is long overdue to be bounced from the EU.
This is what makes the EU dysfunctional - there is not a way to bounce a member from the EU nor a way to override a member states veto. The state can even veto changes to try and override vetos.
The EU continues to exist in a black hole between a super state and a club of nations. Until it resolves that long standing conflict small states like Hungary can hold the whole EU hostage to its demands.
The problem is you’d have to override national sovereignty to get rid of Hungary and once you do that the EU suddenly looks much less democratic. The EU may be too big to force such a fundamental change through now.
The solution to the current problem is obvious - European nations should bypass the EU to provide funds for Ukraine. But that is not palatable to the EU as it undermines the EU itself, making it irrelevant to an area it’s trying to take control of - security.
Okay so an EU-only version of NATO. All that money goes through it. Thanks Hungary, problem solved.
What if they were to have a rule such as 'if a state vetoes a bill that has like 90+% support 3 consecutive times, then they will be unable to veto the bill the 4th time. That way if its obvious all the other people agree on something to hold that strong a majority its not indefinite.
War is bad.
Every day we extend this war, more and more people die, statistically mostly civilians. While we are spending billions on bombs, China spends billions on healthcare, education, and infrastructure.
And for what? So that the part of Ukraine that was trying to secede during the civil war has to stay? Because Russia is going to start a war with NATO after spending a hundred thousand lives trying and failing to avoid having most of its population and industry a few hundred miles from a hostile NATO member?
This is in nobody’s interest except the shareholders of weapons manufacturers.
War is bad.
Nobody was trying to secede. Ukrainians would like to stay Ukrainian and it’s good to help people who want help.
What of the Russian-speaking population who was still in revolt before the invasion? You know the civil war and all that?
Oh the Russian speaking population that sprang up in rebellion from nowhere in pretty much a single day with a clear and organised command structure from day one, with matching gear, uniforms and weapons and a bizarrely poor understanding of the local geography despite supposedly being locals. You know they attacked a movie theatre because they thought it was a local government center? Those rebels? The ones the locals didn’t recognise? The ones whose casualty numbers had a weird correlation with Russian servicemen dying from unexplained causes? Those rebels?
Now I normally don’t call ‘Russian bot/troll’ too often but Russian propaganda about this is so poor I have a hard time coming to any other conclusion.
Stop listening to Russian propaganda? By and large it didn’t exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_pro-Russian_unrest_in_Ukraine
This escalated into open civil war with Russia supporting one side and the US supporting the other until the invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Donbas
They were fighting right until the day of the election. Zelensky was elected on a platform of ending the fighting, and he ordered them to do so, but the units refused to stand down.
You cannot allow aggressive states to just take other people’s lands.
You are wrong.
This war is also in the interests of Putin.
Putin decided to start the war of aggression.
Putin invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine gave up its nuclear arms on the guarantee of security from Russia. Russia has violated that guarantee by invading them.
Putin can end the war today.
US can not end the war today. Even if it left Ukraine alone, Ukraine would still fight to the end.
EU can not end the war today. See above.
The fastest and easiest way to end the bloodshed is for Russia to withdraw today.
Leaving Ukraine to defend itself wouldn’t even end the bloodshed. After Russia has completed its revised objectives it would invade the entirety of Ukraine under newer revised objectives. Then it would invade other neighbours under other revised objectives. The bloodshed would continue until the USSR is reformed and a new cold war begins.
Those suggesting the only way to end the bloodshed is through capitulation to the aggressor need to study their history better to see that capitulation to the aggressor never stopped an aggressor, it just lead to them going further until stopped.
Imagine if the USA invaded Mexico - no one would be saying Mexico should end the bloodshed. And the USA’s adversaries sure as hell would be doing everything they can to help Mexico.
For those in the back: Putin withdrawing from his war of aggression is the only known way to end the bloodshed today. All other solutions would result in further bloodshed.
Even if it left Ukraine alone, Ukraine would still fight to the end.
Except they were engaging in serious peace talks back in March of 2022.
We could have had this same peace 2 years ago, and avoided so much needless destruction.
Except if you’d read the article you’d see that’s bullshit and doesn’t support your claim at all.
Quotes from the text: “And the Russians knew these provisions would make it more difficult for the Ukrainians to accept the rest of the treaty. They might, therefore, be seen as poison pills.”
“Still, the claim that the West forced Ukraine to back out of the talks with Russia is baseless.”
And calls it “putin’s manipulative spin”
It’s Foreign Affairs, literally a state-department mouthpiece, you have to read between the lines and understand the way they use emphasis and conjecture to manipulate the narrative.
The atomic unit of propaganda isn’t lies, it’s emphasis.
First of all, that’s your source, not mine. Also, if they wanted to keep their warmongering interests hidden why even publish that article? You make no sense
Secondly, really? Your argument is “you’re supposed to believe putin, not the ones that conducted interviews, did research and wrote the article”? That’s biblethumping-level of weak, c’mon… “Nooooo, you’re interpreting the holy texts wrong”
Pay walled.
Sorry, try the “bypass paywalls clean” plugin.
.ml detected, opinion rejected.
Go back to your shithole tankie.
Oof that’s very closed minded of you.
Not really. Being open minded doesn’t mean you give equal credence to nut jobs, conspiracy theorists, racists, etc.
I wouldn’t listen to a Nazis opinions on Jews.
I wouldn’t listen to a zionists opinion on Palestine.
And I don’t listen to a tankies opinion on Ukraine.
This is in nobody’s interest except the shareholders of weapons manufacturers.
You forgot about a country called Ukraine there buddy.
I gotta say, of all the conflicts going on in the world, Ukraine/Russia has got to be the one with the clearest “good” side and “bad” side. Pick another conflict to be edgy about.
For the people in Ukraine, this protracted war is the absolute worst possible outcome. Ukraine will never be a safe country again in either of our lifetimes. The state has had to privatize and sell off public assets like the power grid and take out massive loans. Ukraine will never be a prosperous country again in either of our lifetimes.
As far as black and white conflicts go, there’s a country currently dropping 2000 lb bombs on a tent-city of mostly starving children, that formed from refugees of it’s earlier bombing campaign, who are mostly refugees of even earlier ethnic cleansing campaigns.
While that is unfortunate, it’s still better than the alternative…
It absolutely is not. Nothing Russia could possibly impose on the people is worse than an entire generation of men lost to the meat grinder and the poverty that follows this kind of economic damage. A quick loss would have a million more Ukrainians living in their homes today instead of displaced throughout the world, and a hundred thousand still alive.
Nothing Russia could possibly impose on the people is worse than an entire generation of men lost to the meat grinder and the poverty that follows this kind of economic damage.
Wrong. Ask Ukraine or all the other former SU countries. They already know how it is to “live” under Russian occupation. If you’re such a fan of that, go move over there for yourself, and join VK so you can at least spare us with your moronic propaganda.
Please stop abusing the flagging system. “Misinformation” is not against the rules. You flagged them over a dozen times for that.
Hungary is aligned with Putin against the EU.
IF the EU won’t admit that, won’t deal-with that, THEN the EU will be more-completely-butchered when Trump guts NATO & backs his buddy Putin.
Natural Selection™ in action, people: they need to face actuality & grow the fuck up:
kick Hungary out.
Immediately.
They’re actively treachery against the EU, DEAL WITH IT!!
( morons “willingly going to the seconary-crime-scene in the hopes of using social-process to make things go better, there”…
WHEN SOMEONE IS TAKING YOU TO A SECONDARY-CRIME-SCENE, YOU ARE GOING TO BE BUTCHERED THERE: FIGHT TO THE DEATH IMMEDIATELY.
That has been explained by good-cops for many many many years.
Nobody learns.
Natural Selection is going to be unnecessarily pruning extra European lives, as a result of the EU’s retardedness, in the coming decade. )
FUCK Hungary, kick them the fuck out already goddamn.
The EU isn’t going to kick out their scapegoat. Countries are perfectly capable of coordinating and sending aid without an EU resolution. If Germany, France, or anyone else wanted to send aid it would be in transit already.
Hungary is just waiting for another kick back before they give the green light. And they’ll get it, just like they did last time.
But there’s legitimately more to the EU than just two dozen countries agreeing to disagree. Unified support means opening Hungary up for logistical support as well. As a Ukrainian neighbor that’s also bordering the central European powers, their pivotal for moving materials into Ukraine.
looks like it’s easy for their politicians to choose between Victor or Ban?
the EU needs to cast out Hungary.
It is not a situation that lends itself to simple views. A diplomatic solution would likely be so much more ideal that it’s worth eating a little shit to get it.
The EU is great because the alternative is a more tenuous grasp on peace. The EU is also not so great because there are a lot of bad things that are better than WWIII.
Kick em out
Why can’t we just let every country give individual aid to Ukraine to circumvent this?
Hungary can suck on Pootins shoes all it wants, it can’t influence other countries.
Hungry Hungary
Can’t the EU ‘suspend’ Hungary’s membership until Orban the dictator is removed from office?
Hungary needs to get their shit together, or Ukraine will be the least of the worries when they are shown the door or have funding slashed, lol.
I can guarantee life in the EU is better than that of a vassal state of Russia.
