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keepass and syncthing are free.
Wish they handled it better, but I knew about this a while ago, and the price is more than reasonable.
A decade without a price hike is extremely generous, especially at how cheap their plan was.
They are a FOSS company that makes a fantastic product I’ve been happy with for years, I’ll gladly pay less than $2 a month to support them. Their server code is licensed with the AGPL, the strongest copyleft license there is, which gives me a lot of confidence.
Worse case scenario, they enshitify down the road, we are protected via the open source implementations. We’ve seen this many times in the past, Red Hat > Alma & Rocky Linux, Citrix Xen Server > XCP-ng, Terraform > Open Tofu.
Pay for your open source software, folks 💖
Paying for good software should be normalized again. One way or the other you’ll always pay. If you don’t pay with your money, you pay with your data.
Selfhost.Vaultwarden.
Boy am I glad I self hosted … but sadly this means they’ll likely put a stop to that too eventually
What makes you think this? Server costs have gone up, Bitwarden has increased their pricing. It’s a big jump, but it’s also still very very affordable (less than $2/mo). How is this indicative of them changing behavior in the future to start trying to take down legally licensed open source projects like Vaultwarden?
It’s the natural progress curve of a forprofit corporation
vaultwarden != bitwarden. VW is a complete rewrite. they can’t stop vaultwarden.
I just picked up a NitroKey to have as a backup too but like others have said its open source. Its nice to use the official client now but if there’s demand I’m sure an alternative will be implemented.
It’s open source, there will be forks. I’m not worried at all.
free tier is totally fine for 99% of people. if i want a cloud, i pay for a cloud. hike was totally forseeable. its an ass move tho to birry info in a blogpost noone ever read.
yeah i was like, shit 0 times 100 is 0, with a 0, carry the 0…
I get an email very close to renewal.
Not a great move in terms of transparancy. :/
Lawl I pay for the yearly thing and I’ve never used any paid features, I just wanted to support them. I’m okay with the price increase, but it definitely would have been nice to have an announcement maybe in December or spending the they’re planning that. I wonder if I’m grandfathered into the same price I’ve been paying? Ehhh too lazy to find out. I’ll pay 20, but yah some transparency or forewarning would have been nice for a lot of peeps.
Sadly you’re not grandfathered. You’ll get a 25% discount for the first year if you’re already a paying customer.
Ahhh that’s okay, thank you for the info!
Wasn’t this announced months ago? I know I heard something about it, probably on here even. Either way 20$ a year for Bitwarden is still well worth it.
Bitwarden’s Premium version now costs $20 per year,
This is what you’re up in arms about? $1.50 a month?
It’s not about the price itself. It’s about the lack of transparency. Not being open with a 100% increase is not a good look.
I kept procrastinating on self hosting it, but now i will do it tonight and migrate to my own instance.
Problem solved.
Time to self host
To save $10/mo?
20/year
How did you get two things wrong in a two part component?
$10/year
Im happy with EnPass.
If anyone needs an alternative in a hurry and can’t be bothered to self host feel free to use https://pass.bitnet.dev/
I spun this up for me and my family but I don’t mind sharing with my extended online friends
You can also DM me if you want some space in our nextcloud instance, I’m pretty limited right now but I’m planning storage expansion pretty soon
Better off using keepass or literally a Linux hosted Notepad at this point.
product: We don’t have syncing. We’re focused on being a password manager User: Boo hoo I cri hard why you do this??? All the other password managers have itttttt
What product are you even talking about? Bitwarden has had syncing for years, if not from day 1
20$/year is still cheap compared to other password managers, but yeah, the lack of transparency is worrying.
Keepass is free?
So is BitWarden if you self-hosted. The price increase is for a hosted service which Keepass does not provide.
Thing is, a large percentage of internet-connected users might have two or more devices. The simplicity offered by a cloud (be it hosted or selfhosted) password manager is a huge benefit.
And unless you’re already running a syncthing-like service for something else, setting it up just for a password manager when other services provide it out of the box, is not worth the hassle usually.
I use KeePass on like… I dunno 5-6 devices? They all sync together via Syncthing. No server needed. My keepass db is just one of the things synced this way.
Works pretty well.
These are the apps I use:
Desktop (Linux & macOS): KeePassXC Andrdoid: KeePassDX iOS: KeePassium
The whole ecosystem can be used for free. But like… tip your open source devs yo.
Syncing happens pretty quickly with Syncthing. So conflicts in the keepass DBs are very rare (maybe once a year if I’m impatient after a change on a different device). But they do happen, I’ll give you that. Some restraint (wait for sync) and checking (this is where sorting by modified helps!!!) what’s the latest change helps.
Everyone has some kind of cloud service tho no? The database is encrypted so you can even sync it over googles cloud storage if you dont have nextcloud or syncthing.
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What? I think you dont understand at all how this works. The database of any password manager is an encrypted file. When you open your password manager and type in the master password it opens that file and decrypts its contents for you and only saves them to memory. It doesnt actually decrypt the file on the drive. When you close the application it doesnt need to be encrypted again. This is exatly the same for all password managers, the only difference is that with web based ones the database file sits on bitwardens server instead of on your harddrive. You are just changing the location of the database, nothing else. Keepass also automatically saves a backup version of the database to a location you can specify and even if you dont you still have better redundancy than with bitwarden because the file sits both in your cloud storage and on each of your devices.
only one password to rememebr as the keepass master key is the encryption key.
keepass database is just a file that you sync using dropbox/gdrive/onedrive/nextcloud/seafile/owncloud/etc.
I run mine on a free dropbox account. its faster to set up than downloading keepass…
IMO Keepass and Bitwarden aren’t exactly the same, as the latter has cross-device sync built-in.
I use one for work and the other for personal. They are both great, with slightly different convenience/security tradeoffs imo. Big fan of both, don’t know why it has to be one or the other for an OSS credentials manager
Edit: part of what you’re paying for with BW is first-class native apps
Big fan of both, don’t know why it has to be one or the other for an OSS credentials manager
20 bucks are kind of a reason tho?
Can always self-host.
It is a reason, and a fine one. I certainly don’t pay for a subscription for my work stuff. I’ve told them we should have enterprise secrets management and shown them what that looks like. Not my problem anymore, and I have KeePassXC to handle everything I’m responsible for for work
Big fan of both, don’t know why it has to be one or the other for an OSS credentials manager
On an individual level, you only need one or the other. But which one is best for you may be different than which one is best for me.
I can’t think of a reason to choose Keepass over Vaultwarden.
If you can’t selfhost, then you can have your keepass file in your personal cloud. Many basic cloud services are free and the password file itself is encrypted so the cloud provider can’t access your passwords.
Yeah this is true. FolderSync for cloud and Syncthing for p2p should work nicely.
(Edit - I misread as Bitwarden and went off on the wrong tangent. Vaultwarden is not centralized, and it’s FOSS - my bad.)
The person you’re replying to already gave you one: it’s free.Second: its not a prime target for attack like centralized, hosted webservices are. See: LastPass being cracked and people’s login data stolen… Twice.Yes, it is cryptographically superior to LastPass, and attempts to design around their flaws - but the threat still exists because its a very tasty target on the open internet for cybercrime.My little Keepass DB synched over personal VPN by Syncthing? Much harder to find a vector for attack. But it does require more moving parts and maintenance.Each have their pros and cons.I think you misread. Lastweakness was talking about Vaultwarden which is a 100% FOSS reimplementation of bitwarden that you self host.
Yeah i totally did. My bad.
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Vaultwarden is open source: https://github.com/dani-garcia/vaultwarden
Every pro you listed is applicable to Vaultwarden as well. But I assume you misread it as Bitwarden.
Ah yes, I absolutely did.
My bad.
Vaultwarden, self-hosted is free as well. And since it’s not using the Bitwarden infrastructure, you’re only as exposed as your own network anyway.
But you can still use all the standard Bitwarden apps and extensions on any device, you just need to point it at your server. Easy to set up for friends and family as well. No need to try and teach them about VPNs, setting up syncthing, etc.
Thanks, I appreciate the clarification. I misread as Bitwarden.
Vaultwarden sounds like it resolves any concerns had about Bitwarden.
I can.
I realise now that I can think of one too. Which is that you don’t need to host it anywhere if you use something like Syncthing.
Also available offline, all the time in your hands.
Bitwarden works offline. Obviously can’t save to the server, but reading from what’s already on your local machine works just fine.
Isn’t it easier then just to use a (keepass) file? Also we carry phones around where we need secrets, too etc.
I set up a simple sync service with FolderSync (similar to Syncthing) on Android for my family, that preserves their mobile files on a server hosted SMB share. Haven’t even looked at storage encryption though. You can’t underestimate a simple yet effective solution, sometimes so simple it flies under the radar.
I can’t think of a reason to choose Bit/Vaultwarden over Keepass.
Web interface, no client software required. I can fire up a brand new machine and access my DB without installing anything.
Shared passwords
Easy to do on Keepass
Not really and not nearly at the same level
Yes and more easily
so is bitwarden. i dont get your argument here. bitwarden does a lot more for free than keepass
Person I replied to said it’s 20 bucks tho.
for premium features that do more than passwaord vaulting. the free version of bitwarden does more thsn the keepass
TIL theres a paid version of Bitwarden.
Out of curiosity, what services do you use for sharing?
I use NextCloud for informal shares as its GUI is very similar Microsoft or Google’s -Drive and is easily adoptable. I also host a private pastebin instance for code or guides I think may be helpful, and Matrix for personal stuff. But I do like how Bitwarden/Vaultwarden’s share works – it feels more secure, like WeTransfer. It still has its applications. And Vaultwarden file share is free, size limit is adjustable in server config, and is not limited to what the Bitwarden clients say!
