Judge for yourselves … pretty blatant Nazi salute if I’ve ever seen one. Short and quick but it was a plainly obvious gesture.
1930s German Nazis would have laughed at it for being so pitiful and weak but it was there from what I saw.
https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29801s
If the linked time doesn’t work … scroll through to the end of his 15 minute speech at 8:16:32
I can’t even think of a way that this could be given some veil of innocence either. The “my heart goes out to you” thing was always bullshit, but it was an attempt at plausible deniability. I don’t think even that could be done here
It’s just an involuntary hand movement, like when someone reaches for glasses they are already wearing, or reach out for a phone that’s not in the pocket. He got the habit from all the times he does the Nazi salute behind closed doors. /s (but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s actually true)
Apparent? Shut the fuck up.
Throwing in the word “apparent” is cowardly, but it’s also a lot cheaper than being sued for libel by a fucking billionaire.
Nah. Getting sued for libel is what these outlets should be absolutely proud to have sent their way. That’s literally a news story in itself. It would also means he’d actually have to defend it instead of posting Nazi puns on Twitter.
So at what point of doing something does it actually become the thing that it was?
Seems pretty obvious to me.
From a legal point of view it hasn’t been tried in a court of law, which is why words like “apparently” and “allegedly” are used.
By that logic, it would impossible to report on literally anything.
Yeah. They’re cowards because they don’t want to lose any money saying the truth.
In this case I think the point is to be on the nose about how fucking ridiculous it is - just from this article:
Steve Bannon made a gesture that is identical to a Nazi salute
Bannon made the gesture — extending his arm, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest, which is also what Nazi salutes look like
the gesture was also identical to one made by billionaire Elon Musk
extended his arm straight out, palm down, fingers straight, at an upward angle away from his chest. Which, whatever the billionaire’s intention, just happens to be precisely how a Nazi salute is performed.
Musk repeated the gesture. Here’s how that looked. <pic of Musk doing a Nazi salute>
Oxford’s top definition for Apparent is “clearly visible or understood; obvious”
And the second (which is how they are using it) is “seeming real or true, but not necessarily so”.
I think the third one is “brother, i really don’t wanna get sued of that shit.” Pretty sure they are using that one.
Having read the article, that doesn’t seem to be the case. The undertones of the writing seem to be “There have been some attempts to deny that these are Nazi salutes (and not from the people making the gestures), but plausible deniability is rapidly running out and it definitely looks exactly like a Nazi salute”.
Dodging shackles of the new Ministry of Truth
The space karen one was blatantly apparent, this was a pretty half assed attempt. Like he is too much of a bitch to put his contemptible fascist ideology on full display.
I’d like to go back to a simpler time. A time when nazis got shot in the fucking face.
You can help return to that time today!
Join your local SRA or PSL. We need more comrades. Us Socialist have the top score for killing Nazis and it’s not even fucking close.
Edit: Socialist Rifle Association. Party for Socialism and Liberation.
In times past, anyone doing anything like that around the president would have put the president on the fast track to impeachment.
Today, this will just slide, and we’ll have another piece of outrageous news tomorrow that nobody will be outraged about for more than 10 minutes. Different values today I guess…
Impeachment in the US seems to be meaningless too, though
It’s because impeachment is a partisan process. If the Republicans had an ounce of integrity (or even self-preservation) they would have joined the Democrats in voting to convict when Trump was impeached multiple times previously.
The second time was their easiest out. He wasn’t President, he had just lost an election, most of the country was disgusted with his antics post-election or at least just tired with it all.
They could’ve kneecapped him right then and barred him from running again. He would have left Washington a pariah. Most Republians hated the man, and this was their chance to shoot the rabid dog, but they were afraid of getting primaried over it. Which itself is ridiculous because most of the GOP senators were 3-5 years from their next primary.
That was when the GOP was fully-captured.
It really is. It does fucking nothing.
The goal of fox news post nixon was to prevent anything similar to what happened to nixon as a result of watergate. That and the fact that wall street robber barons were mot punished for the business plot fascist coup attempt against fdr and then the son and grandson of that coup attempt’s primary architect were both sitting presidents and now America has been obviously fascist to anyone paying attention the last 40-50 years now they are so emboldened they don’t even try and hide it.
It’s not so much values as it is a lack of power in the working class. These things can be done because the greater population has no power or influence. Since their is no organization to resist it the mass of the population falls into two areas of “cope”. The crowd that knows it’s fucked up and has no one to organize against it. And the crowd that knows it’s fucked up but “no one is doing anything” so they find a place to normalize or deny it. It’s not “really” a Nazi salute.
You may call this “values”. But I’d say it’s more about how well the ruling class has controlled and passified the population.
Also, when half the country is worried about putting food on the table or paying rent. They really don’t have time to give a fuck. Material conditions really shape what we might perceive as a “lack of values”.
I posted it on the thread that was removed, but here it is again, video proof:
Timestamped link on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/live/0BN-62AQT4Q?t=29797
He wasn’t quite as confident with doing it as musk.
Thats kinda funny.
He looked very anxious doing it, tbh. Pathetic. Like a child muttering a swear under their breath before nervously scanning the room to see if anyone heard.
That’s it! I was sleepily writing my comment, having not long woken up this morning, with a thought in the back of my mind that i couldn’t reach.
Perfect analogy!
Yeah, and then the crowd fuckin cheered.
musk is the type you call “stupid confidence” and bannon is unsure if its the wrong thing to do.
Unlike Musk, he did have a taste of prison
He fucking nodded in confirmation. “Yup, that’s what it was.”
Let me guess the excuse: he also has autism and autistic people just can’t help doing Nazi salutes all the time.
You know how you keep seeing autistic people give Nazi salutes?
I’m autistic and I can’t stop nazi saluting it’s scaring my kids neighbors and friends send help
“damn vaccines… All Fauci’s fault” - RFK Jr?
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Weird how Elon has never claimed to be officially diagnosed to be ASD, but has described himself as having Asperger’s Syndrome before, isn’t it?
Very weird indeed.
Fuck me, I’m scared for my friends in the States
Send help :(
Well yeah, but he’s not a cool Nazi: he looks like he sleeps in the street while the South African one is a kajillionaire who makes space rockets and electric cars.
Nobody likes an uncool Nazi.
Also, here’s the actual source of the article instead of a link to an aggregator:
https://www.thewrap.com/steve-bannon-gives-apparent-nazi-salute-at-cpac-elon-musk/
I all invite them to come to germany and do it :)
Germany is literally right on the edge of their own fascist issues right now. The symbolism may not be as directly 1to1 as America. But the outcomes are building up to be the same. Germans learned all the wrong lessons from their past and now the “never again” seems to be “well, again, but only to Muslims this time. We promise it stops there”
How’s that song go? “Tell them that the Nazis never really went away”. They weren’t kidding.
it’s worse than that, we shift all the guilt about antisemitism and nazism onto muslims, so that they’re perceived as the actual nazis and we’re innocent happy fellows who are bestest of friends with The Jews™ who just happen to all support and live in israel and no other jewish opinion or existence is allowed or acknowledged. the palestinian genocide really is a denazification, israel is just cleaning up little hitler babies with daily bomb and drone strikes.
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What i mean with that is:
They come over, do the Hitlergruß, then get arrested and heavily fined because its highly illegal to do that in germany
I shall now remind the world that the USA didn’t care all that much about nazis in WW2 until it got attacked by Japan in Pearl Harbor and felt the need to react.
Bullshit. We supported Europe similarly to how we’ve been supporting Ukraine.
We didn’t have boots on the ground, but we did everything short of that. It’s why Pearl Harbor happened.
Pearl Harbor happened because Japan was not happy about American imperialism in east Asia. Japan wanted to have its own imperialism in that region all to itself. It didn’t have much to do with America supporting European Nazi resistance.
More privileged fat middle aged white guys signaling their hatred
What a pathetic fucking loser
What a pussy. Do it with your chest you fucking Nazi coward.
The cognitive dissonance over at r/conservative is showing cracks over this one. Same with the “dictator” comments about Zelensky. You can make MAGATs believe a lot of things, but telling them that, actually, Putin is the good guy, and Nazis are pretty cool, is a hard sell.
i assume its the subreddit, yea its mostly russian bots engaging the sub, keeping it active.
If it a salute it was a pretty shit and lazy one. Not that I would be surprised if that’s what it was.
I honestly think the feud with Elon is fueled by jealousy to be Trumps Nazi.
