• secretlyaddictedtolinux@lemmy.worldBanned
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    the right to bear arms exists to protect people from tyrants

    the whole premise of this right is that we can’t trust the government to keep our liberty safe because they could become the tyrants. if one day some religious idiot comes into power who doesn’t want women learning math, you may end up glad that conservatives have made it easier for women to fight for their liberty by refusing to allow these rights to be eroded

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      Religious tyrants have gotten into power, they are forcing women into service as incubators. Nobody sane has taken up arms against the government. It is the “conservatives” who are fighting at the ballot box to erode our liberties and human rights.

      “Conservatives” want to elect an openly racist demagogue who already committed a putsch and is asking SCOTUS to hand him a Long Knife.

      LOL “conservatives” refusing to allow rights to be eroded. Yeah buddy, the women are going to force their way into math class holding the teacher at gunpoint.

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      I’ll remind my daughter next time she calls me having a panic attack during an active shooter lockdown that at least she still has the right to love who she wants make her own reproductive healthcare choices get IVF if she can’t have kids be open and honest about who she is

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        teach your daughter to use weapons, allow weapons in schools, and let her destroy anyone who attacks her.

        i am sorry religious idiots are taking away her rights. these idiots are luring in many supporters because they support the second amendment. liberals need to start being pro-gun and get these religious idiots out of power

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      I agree with the first part. It was supposed to be a check and balance to government power and oppression. It gives people the power to fight back against injustice.

      However, in the time of intercontinental missiles, planes, tanks, and remote operated drones, are a bunch of peasants with guns actually going to do anything if the government turned on its people? Does the “right to bear arms” not extend to other, non-gun weapons?

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      the right to bear arms exists to protect people from tyrants

      This is a complete fiction, a true American mythology that exists in the modern day.

      The right to bear arms was more about homestead defense against indigenous natives and foreign invading armies than it was for any kind of poison pill for Americans to topple their own government if they woke up one day and decided they don’t like who’s in charge anymore. The very notion that the founders would set up a new system of governance but be okay with the idea of baking in gun ownership rights to ensure that the people will always be able to conduct a violent insurrection as the vehicle for regime change is absurd.

      Everybody likes to ignore the “well-regulated militia” part of that amendment, conveniently ignoring that a well regulated militia would answer to the state or the federal government, the very force of tyranny that they claim they need the guns to defend themselves against.

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      Conservatives would be the first to call anyone participating in the uprising unamerican and would be more likely to form reactionary militias supportive of the fascist government than to overthrow anything

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        Hadis Najafi was a feminist. A world hero. I hope one day in a brave new feminist world, she has a holiday. I wish I had met her. I’d give anything to have met her. I don’t believe in an afterlife, but if heaven were real I would get to meet her. How can one person be so courageous?

        She fought without being armed because she was a hero and she couldn’t not fight. She had enough and said fuck it, I know I’m going to die and don’t care. Although she said “I like to think that when I think about this a few years later I’ll be pleased I joined the protest” I believe a part of her new she could die, I think this was something she said to comfort herself. Heroes fight even when the odds aren’t great. I wish I could become a good and courageous person like her.

        You think it’s bad now?

        Don’t be myopic. This is a woman who would have been a hero with our without weapons, but she could have done more if she had the right to bare arms.

        Yes, it matters and the NRA matters and feminism matters and the solution is making sure women have more and larger guns and better tactical training.

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          No the NRA doesn’t matter, right wing support of weapons doesn’t matter. The left wing support of weapons matters.

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            Is there such a thing? Is there a left wing organization battling for the rights of women to own any weapon she pleases? If so, please enlighten me on this.

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              Unsurprisingly the political organization whose power comes from private funding is the one backing right wing fascist bullshit. You’re not going to find a left wing organization with the same resources because it won’t have corporate political backing.

              Anarchists and other leftists (leftists, not liberals) are typically pro-gun and for the reasons you mention

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      the right to bear arms exists to protect people from tyrants

      Don’t you have that backwards? Gun ownership is a luxury enjoyed by an enfranchised society enjoyed exclusively by people who don’t feel threatened?

      Because I remember a whole era of us domestic policy that revolved around targeting POC and other marginalized groups with gun regulation, while letting white nationalist groups run rampant.

      Gun rights strike me as a political fiction. You only really get to enjoy them if you’re not threatened by over-policing. As soon as you start asserting those rights against a government bureaucrat, they vanish.

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      The government has set up all mechanisms to target any resistance group trying to organise a violent revolution

      Unless one man is going to take down the throne, guns will hardly achieve anything.