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This is not being reported in the U.S. news media. Maybe you can argue it’s because it’s July 4th, but if this doesn’t come out in a major way tomorrow, I guess the fix is in.

“Trump’s name appears over and over again on Jeffrey Epstein’s message logs in the grand jury docs released this week. It is also undisputed: Trump’s name appears 7 times on Epstein’s private jet flight logs, that Epstein flew on Trump’s jet with a young girl of indeterminate age, girls who Epstein trafficked worked at Mar-A-Lago, a girl Epstein trafficked mentioned visiting Trump’s casino in a recently released deposition transcript. Trump said Epstein is a great guy who likes girls on the younger side, Trump frequently “partied” with Epstein, Trump wished Ghislaine Maxwell well at her criminal trial, and someone who testified under the pseudonym JANE DOE at the Ghislaine Maxwell criminal trial stated that she was introduced to Trump by Epstein when she was 14 years old,” a user posted on X.

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    1 year ago

    This is just new evidence to support what has already been known. I would be surprised if this made the news considering it never made the news before.

    Yes, Trump is a rapist and a pedophile and not just an acquaintance of Epstein.

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      CSA is very much bipartisan, and occurs from every demographic. It’s not helpful to victims to pretend it’s not.

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        Go ahead and compare the list of guilty Ds vs Rs, you will find that it is VERY far from 50/50. D’s actually kick out members that do horrible shit like this, R’s circle the wagons.

        I’ll help you out, go ahead and take a look at this list: https://www.dailykos.com/history/user/CajsaLilliehook

        I beg you, please, show me an equatable list for Ds. I’ll wait.

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          That’s not helpful to CSA victims whose abusers are D/d, but I guess since not as many are known/convicted, those victims don’t matter to some people.

          Edit: because Bill Gates and Bill Clinton were never on those flights or call logs or island.

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            Two names, only one of whom is even relevant doesn’t prove your “bipartisan” claim when weighed against a list of 1300.

            And before you get any dumb ideas, no one here is defending child abusers.

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              https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/sexual-misconduct/here-s-list-political-figures-accused-sexual-misconduct-n827821

              That’s a brief search, and I’m not going to invest too much time, because something else that of bipartisan, "NUH UH!, MY FAVORED POL WOULD NEVER!”

              At a workshop once, the leader told participants to write down the name of the person they loved and trusted most, one of upstanding moral character. Then said, "They’ve just been accused legally accused of CSA. What is the first thing you think?” After an uncomfortable long pause, that leader said, “This is how abusers remain free to victimize others.”

              Do with it what you want.

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    I wonder what the wealthy “liberal media” moguls think this guy will have done with them and their money, when he’s in office again? McDonald’s parties with underage masseuses?

    For that matter, I wonder how many wealthy media moguls were on the Lolita Express with this guy?

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    The article doesn’t really say anything other than phone records and flights. If the implication is that trump participated in sex trafficking, they need to say that and show proof. If they’re just trying to show guilt by association, it’s going to look like a smear job.

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      it’s going to look like a smear job.

      He said, ignoring that conservative “news” is exclusively smear jobs dressed up as news. If Republicans don’t have to care about decorum then neither do Democrats. If only we could actually learn this lesson.

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      Even if he didn’t directly participate, did he witness it? Turn a blind eye? I hope future reporting is clear what it is and is not evidence of, but I also hope people ask the very reasonable questions that follow from what we do know now.

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    epstein was a tax man helping wealthy people to exploit loopholes using complicated offshoring schemes. rich people hung out with him.

    also, trump supporters do not care about this.

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        If an Independent can look at how the Republican party conducts itself and still be undecided on who to vote for then they aren’t an Independent, they’re simply a Republican that’s socially aware enough to understand that calling themselves a Republican comes with more baggage than they want to take on.

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          I agree, but there are a lot of people with their heads (willfully or not) in the sand. All the wild stuff we’re all terribly aware of they have ignored or passed on because they didn’t have the time or motivation to dig into it and find the truth.

          Stories like this one, the SC immunity nightmare etc. are still useful because they act as a hook to pull people into the discourse from the sidelines and at the same time keep these things relevant amidst Trump’s unending firehose of falsehoods and projections

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            I understand what you’re saying and I think it’s a reasonable take, I just can’t fathom how there could be anyone left in America who hasn’t seen enough of Trump to make up their mind one way or the other. There’s just so much evidence of him being a piece of shit everywhere you look that even intentional avoidance can’t work for 8 years.

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          Hmm yes, just like all the “libertarians” who started showing up toward the end of W’s time in office.