Talking with people in tech the path is go remote, go international, and then go abroad. With people talking EU, south East Asia and some Central America. Just depending on ethnicity or culture they grew up with.
I’m trying to move to a better area, one where things can get better locally
Even if the country ends, we’re not all going to die. We’re going to have to organize locally, and I’d rather be somewhere where I can do that
It must be nice to have the privilage to immigrate to wherever you want lol.
I mean I wasn’t even supposed to be here. It’s only pure chance that my family had relatives in the US. Less than 5% of Chinese live abroad, so… like imagine you ask a question like: “How many of you are actually fine with living in China”
I mean the wording implies that people living there are automatically supportative of the government or something.
Moving is hard, pal.
I had the advantage of being a child and learning English; now as an adult, I’d struggle learning French, German, or Norweigian.
You can do it. I learned Norwegian as an old man. Well, enough to get by. I still struggle, but it is possible.
Do people actually let you speak it, or do they just reply in English?
Depends. In some settings people switch to English the moment they realize English would get to the meat more quickly. But in others, people actually not only allow me but push me out of my comfort zone. That is very helpful.
It must be nice to have the privilage to immigrate to wherever you want lol.
Really they don’t. The only group that can switch countries painlessly is the super rich, and even then it’s not universal - some don’t want foreigners regardless of how much money they bring.
I’m in my 40s and learning Norwegian (roughly 75 days in spending maybe 30 minutes a day on average). It’s actually pretty easy. If you’ve never studied a Germanic language outside of English, you might have some word order issues to get used to, but that, so far, has been about it.
if i had a phd in specialty i wouldve been gone already. plus for everyone else you need to know the lay of the country you are in, getting a job, a place to rent out, learning the local culture and language, how to transfer your USD to a countries currencies.
when u want to move but you’re autistic with severe anxiety 😭
I’d love to move and could probably swing it but I have a lot of pets that cannot cross the country. I have made a lifetime commitment to them so until they pass I will not leave. When I do will be to Japan or Uruguay. I have no problem learning languages quickly. I just can’t leave these animals behind.
What’s your plan to get into Japan? It’s not a place that likes immigration.
they do like white westerners though, especially the ones that have money, or they are married toa japanese spouse. im guessing if you’re an asian, you can blend in more easier.
To visit. Immigrating is a whole other thing - this BBC retrospective paints a pretty clear picture in the section about the village. I remember reading an account of somebody that’s been going to the same corner store run by the same guy for decades, but who still gets followed around because “foreigners commit crime”.
Looking Asian might make it worse if anything, because Japan has less than awesome relations with other Asian countries, and some of them come with a poverty stigma.
you’re one of the good ones
I uprooted my life and left. It’s far too dangerous for me. I’m a trans latina. I grieve over the friends and community I left behind daily
I’d like too but I don’t think it’s a possibility. I don’t have the money or the skills.
Agreed love to get fuck out of this capitalist, dictatorship, but where can we go? Love to live in Iceland.
It’s spreading everywhere. I noticed a year ago my buddy in India was talking about it on a Spotify interview. Apparently, non-caucasian cultures are having the same problems with division and authoritarianism. Also, dissenters are being treated very poorly there now.
International nationalism. It’s just a divide and conquer strategy being pushed everywhere. Some places like Spain, Ireland, and South Afrika seem to have an international push against it but a lot of the rest of the world have only local resistance to it at the moment. At least from a an english readers perspective. I hope in other languages there is more opposition.
FYI the USA is one of the very few asshole counties that tax expats. Yes there is a 110k exemption, but still it’s such asshole behavior.
I forgot which other countries did it, but it was just a handful.
What are they going to do if you don’t pay?
I don’t know, I’m sure they’ll fuck with you unless you are rich enough to lawyer them a middle finger
dont go back to the USA i guess, its not like they are going to extradite a non-payer that is earning income form another country.
There are multiple reasons why most people don’t shift countries willy-nilly.
Moving, even within the same state is a difficult, stressful, and expensive prospect. Moving to a different country is even more so, and that assumes you have a job lined up when you get there or substantial monetary reserves. Then there are the legal hurdles, which depending on the destination country can be downright daunting. In many countries unless you are a top earner with an in-demand skill-set you are likely to experience significant legal challenges to even achieve temporary residency. And then there are language and cultural differences that can make life difficult once you get there. Unless you have friends/family already in the destination country and/or know the language you can expect it to be rough going for quite a while.
All this would be compounded if you have a family. Not to mention the added difficulty and expense involved with visiting or supporting extended family members or friends back in your original home country after leaving.
Simply put, most people simply can’t move countries whenever the political situation in their home country gets dicey. It’s only after the fighting starts do you see people doing that in significant numbers and at that point they are refugees.
Already left and in Europe but in a bit of a grey area with residency between two countries here. Doing my best to get sorted more permanently and to stop sending my tax money to the US and instead send it to one of the two governments (whoever is willing to let us continue as a family to live).
It was stressful and expensive over the last year+ but wife and I are both in high risk categories for detention, persecution, and possible separation from our new baby in the US, so not much choice. We are liquidating assets there which is not good for our financial future but hopefully we aren’t too old to rebuild stability in Europe somewhere, or failing that, the Philippines where we have much better residency privileges.
I’ve read a lot of novels set in Germany/Europe in the Hitler Era.
I always used to be amazed at the people who would see what was going on, and who stayed.
One of my favorite series is the Bernie Gunther [Berlin Noir] novels by the late Phillip Kerr.
Bernie stays in Germany because he’s a German. He was born and raised in Berlin and it’s his home. No strong family ties, he just stays because he can’t imagine living anywhere else.
I would have left already if it wasn’t that I have kids in college to support and would like to see on the holidays without spending an arm and a leg to fly then here. My spouse also doesn’t want to leave but she is slowly coming around so hopefully in 4-5 years I’ll be leaving for some tropical beach or european car-independent heaven and never looking back.
If I had the money to I’d leave in a heart beat.
Thing is I uprooted my family to move to the US 15 years ago and loved it here, and still do. I hate the current everything of course, Ikbut 'm still a bit idealistic and still believe the country will right itself. How long it will take, I don’t know, but I still believe it.
(… ok back to the job search, yay layoffs)
OMG ARE YOU ME?
I also moved here approx 15 years ago.
But yea this is basically how I feel.
Don’t wanna go back to PRC… omg I remember that ugly looking tiny “apartment” unit… in Guangzhou 15 years ago… dirty as hell, 5 flights of stairs no elevators god damn lol… imagine if you break a leg, how do you even go home / leave home?
I’ve been here since I was 8, this is more “home” than China ever was. I can’t even understand the Chinese internet, the slangs. The complete utter lack of mental health awareness and acceptance. Holy shit my parents are so cruel, especially mom. Can’t imagine asking my recent AskLemmy question on a Chinese Forum. Probably get bombarded with “you disrespecful child” comments.
I like the west much more than China, much more progressive.
In a lot of ways what I see the US turning into is a lot like China. So yeah, that would be tough.
russia actually more than china. USA is heavily influenced by russia, through propaganda, thats why the gop mimics putin’s russia.
Hmm. Well, that’s true, what’s emerging is a lot more of a corrupt morass than an actual, defined one-party system like China has. Maybe something else will grow out of it, but that remains to be seen.
How it acts on the world stage more China-like though. Nativist, aggressive and clueless but still taken seriously because they’re so huge. Probably the economic policy too - China is a lot more protectionist than Russia.
2nd time i come across you here ;)
