Summary
A federal judge criticized a Trump administration Justice Department lawyer who claimed they didn’t have to follow the judge’s oral order blocking deportations to El Salvador because it wasn’t in writing.
Judge Boasberg questioned why the administration ignored his directive to return immigrants to the US. The DOJ lawyer repeatedly refused to provide information about the deportations, citing “national security concerns.”
Frustrated, Boasberg ordered sworn declarations explaining what happened, quipping that he would issue a written order “since apparently my verbal orders don’t seem to carry much weight.”
He didn’t feel he could disregard it.
He successfully disregarded it.
Throw. That. Lawyer. In. PRISON. There may be no way to enforce the law on Trump himself, but make lawyers afraid to do his dirty work.
Wouldn’t Trump just pardon them?
Make him do it. Make him do it over and over. New contempt charges every time one of these asshat lawyers refuses a lawful court order. Take up all of Trump’s time with having to continuously pardon his own lawyers.
It literally takes trump 20 seconds to tell an aid to start paperwork for a pardon.
After 8 years of watching the legal system completely and utterly fumble any semblance of justice against Trump, it is bizarre to see you hail legal action as the ultimate method of dismantling the Trump regime. Big “I think Mueller is still going to bring Trump down!” energy.
Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.
Nothing will change until the ruling class have fear in their hearts, and if the most obstructive and radical thing you can imagine is “waste trumps time by making him pardon an extra 15 people” also happens to be the prevalent mindset of other liberals, then yall are mega doomed.
Did anyone say it was the only method on the table?
Fair enough. That was wrong of me to falsely insinuate.
However, I’d still posit that these sort of milquetoast strategies are so ineffective and distracting, that they ought to not be brought up at all since they defang otherwise radical people and distract from real solutions.
In other words, Trump and team would like nothing more than for the opposition to waste untold millions in legal fees (and weeks of prolonged court time) all to make him auto pen a document over the course of 15 minutes. These suggestions are worth less than nothing.
Nowhere did I say that was the “ultimate method.” Every single thing the orange asshole tries to do should be obstructed and interfered with in every way possible.
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The point isn’t really to inconvenience him though. It’s to cede no ground without documented abuse of power.
Absolutely. Make them show outright that they are using authoritarian tactics. Make it known to all that they’re fascists and that they don’t care about democratic principles or the rule of law.
Make every Trump voters uncomfortable and understand they voted to end this democratic republic.
He can’t pardon a disbarment, though!
No. You go through the bar and remove their license.
I don’t think he can. Courts have the power to hold people until they comply with a court order.
Technically so does congress although it’s never done.
US Marshalls, however, are a real thing and work for the judiciary.
Edit: ugh, they are responsible for carrying out what the judiciary needs, but it’s still part of the executive (DoJ).
I was holding hope for the US Marshalls taking action without the AG calling on them based on what they represent, but they have been helping the Trump with his illegal takeovers of DOGE even assisting with breaking and entering… So it’s probably unlikely they will do anything to assist with reigning in the president.
See elsewhere in the comments on this post. The judge can effectively deputize someone other than a Marshall if necessary.
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Throw everyone who implemented it in prison. Trump may have made himself an untouchable dictator but just himself.
Remember that loyalty only goes one way, unless it’s in trumps personal interest such as profiting from it. Make him go on record as either pardoning the criminals or dropping them
What about all the hardcore criminals he sent out, should we bring them all back and release them?
Of course not. The normal justice system applies; assuming they are legitimately suspected of a crime, they are held until they can be given a fair trial and their fate determined by just means. That’s how the system works to punish the guilty and exonerate the innocent. Your assumption that these are all “hardcore criminals” is a media product; how has this been determined? It has not. The only just way to determine it is with a trial.
And even if found guilty and justly imprisoned after due process, that doesn’t mean they can legally be deported. If they’re legally in the country then they’re legally in the country
His written orders won’t do anything either. Who knew the constitution can be so easily ripped to shreds by simply ignoring it.
This should have been fixed in the 1800s when Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court, but it was ignored and here we are
☒ Soap box ☒ Ballot box ☒ Jury box ☐ Ammo box
Promises promises.
Enforce the law! Otherwise, there really is no turning back. US Democracy is dead. Fascism wins. 🇺🇸
Oh brother… here we go again…
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This is kind of insane to witness unfold in real time. These fossils don’t understand that they’ve been stripped from their institutional powers. They are literally not able to understand what’s happening even if it’s totally transparent to anyone watching.
Oh brother…
No, he can be questioned about official acts. The wording is that the judiciary decides what is an official act, so if they decide it is, he cannot be punished criminally for what is otherwise a criminal act. The Supreme Court did a bunch of power grabs for itself and effectively declared that Congress couldn’t do squat other than impeachment against the president and the only check on the president’s power was whether the judiciary agreed with him.
Now Trump’s attacking the judiciary and has made the chief justice have to make a statement that his challenges to his legitimacy will not stand, so I would expect to see a bunch of cases go against Trump just as a judiciary show of force, much like his citizenship emergency challenge where they told him to fuck off and they’d slow walk his case.
Trump could have ended democracy quite easily if he wasn’t in such a damn hurry to get shit done and snubbing all of the power brokers that he needs to implement his plans is forcing a bunch of needless shit. When the economy is fully in shambles in a few months and the ad spend slows down for media companies, I’d expect them to pounce on how much shit he fucked up. It’s wild seeing WSJ realizing the problem that’s coming down the pipeline and the Murdoch rag shitting on him in the editorials rather than WaPo.
It was disregarded because it was a vocal demand when the criminals were already halfway to their destination. If we allowed a federal judge to say “wait, don’t do that!” and express vocally their outrage, to the POTUS every time they disagreed, there would be no point in having a person voted as President.
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Since when is a judge’s verbal order not legally binding?
Since we allowed a dictator to take control.
The “dictator” only gains power that we cede.
Yes, hence the use of the word “allowed” in my post. We have ceded power. Now we must take it back.
The whole point of judiciary is to resolve damages and it’s actually really important that they can issue orders quickly to prevent “irreversible damages”, courts use injunctions all the time even before coming to any kind of decision in order to give time for due process to happen. Especially when there is possibility of harm coming to an individual.
They feel that they can ignore it because they can ignore it. Stop letting them!
How do they do that? Their enforcers work for Trump.
They can deputize citizens to carry out the orders too
Then if the deputies fail you start sheriffizing people.
Nah, you just start deputizing more effective people. Like ex special forces
Wahoo it’s-a me Luigi
The US Marshalls don’t, I thought.
US Marshals are under DoJ.
*Marshals
You’re right, thank you.
Well considering Republicans control every branch of government, they’re assuming they can and will get away with it. Even if this goes up to SCOTUS, the conservative justices will let them do what they want. One of them will “dissent” though to try to make it seem like they don’t agree. They’re probably behind closed doors playing rock, paper, scissors to see who “dissents” each time a hot button topic gets up to them.
Well if the order wasn’t enforced… yes?
These psychos aren’t stopped by words.
Uh oh! This Judge sounds PISSED! SOON Trump is going to get a STERNLY WRITTEN LETTER! And if they DEFY that? OH Boy! ANOTHER letter will be on the way!
I’d Like to See Ol Donny Trump Wriggle His Way Out of THIS Jam!
You guys literally got my overweight middle aged ass giggling like an imbecile in my office at work
What a strongly worded condemnation!
Anyway
You should have seen the glare of severe consternation the judge cast towards the back of the exiting lawyer!!!
So what is the judge going to do? Admonish them?
Judge Boasberg does have one other card he can play, according to FRCJ Rule 4.1(b). If the US Marshal service is unable or unwilling to carry out a federal court order, the Judge who issued the order can deputize individuals to carry it out.
Could they deputize, say, the military?
Not just the military. I draw your attention to this, emphasis mine
(a) In General. Process—other than a summons under Rule 4 or a subpoena under Rule 45 —must be served by a United States marshal or deputy marshal or by a person specially appointed for that purpose.
Section (b) says:
Enforcing Orders: Committing for Civil Contempt. An order committing a person for civil contempt of a decree or injunction issued to enforce federal law may be served and enforced in any district. Any other order in a civil-contempt proceeding may be served only in the state where the issuing court is located or elsewhere in the United States within 100 miles from where the order was issued.
The line:
a person specially appointed for that purpose.
is interesting because it does not specify who is qualified to be appointed. Now, I am concerned that this language means that Judge Boasberg may only appoint one person, but if he seems it necessary, he could probably get away with appointing more.
Sounds like a “well-ordered militia” is called for.
He’ll move up to SLAMS next
I’m expecting the Judicial will go as far as BASHED
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Like at what point does everyone else in the government finally say “ok we have to treat them as treasonous” this is a madhouse full of complacent fools.
At this point I don’t see the politicians being the people to save us. Honestly don’t know what the military would do either. They’d probably fight internally until the MAGA component wins or gets squashed.
So much can change so quickly. That’s usually how the big changes go, especially when they are unfavorable.
Save you from what? Is your life ruined? Are we all losing our rights in the US? Are we all being deported? How bad is your life right now, that you need “saving?”
Judge SLAMS Trump with no legal action whatsoever.
They don’t give a single fuck about any letter you make, any protest you do. Any law you say they broke. What the fuck are you going to do about ir? Until that answer is armed revolt they will not give a single fuck about anything you do.
way more than about Trump
legal precedents that uphold other legal precedents are being dismantled like they already were being done away with before Trump
more precedents that go away the more personal freedoms and civil liberties goes away
need a revolution
Oh brother… how horrible is your life? `
