• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I’ll say it to I’m blue in the face:

    Either party can guarantee victory by running literally anyone except Biden or trump.

    *Obviously not Hillary tho

    If Biden steps down, trump is toast if he stays.

    If trump steps down, there goes Biden’s entire campaign.

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      1 year ago

      Then name a name.

      Who has that kind of charisma and name recognition, with no baggage, that they can storm in like the Koolaid man and take this election?

      No? Yeah, I didn’t think so. You have been shitting on Biden every thread, even non-Biden related posts, for this entire election year and have never offered an alternative.

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        You’d have to be blind not to see the news articles dropping names for the past few weeks.

        Whitmer

        Newsom

        Shapiro

        Walz

        Buttigieg

        Generic Democrat

        Even Harris polls better than Biden

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          Whitmer, Shaprio, Walz, Buttigieg all don’t have the nationwide name recognition needed to hit the ground running with so little time before elections.

          Newsom only has name recognition because the Right has been demonizing him for years because they recognized him as a threat. We’d just have a repeat of Hillary.

          I’m not saying that these wouldn’t make decent candidates in a normal Primary time frame. But it would spell disaster to pivot to any of these candidates this late in the race.

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            Four months is not “so little time”. And I agree that Shapiro and Walz have branding issues, but 4 months, the entire news media and DNC war chest would be enough to solve that. Newsom doesn’t have nearly the baggage Hillary had either. Hillary had baggage going back to 1992. Newsom has baggage from ~5 years ago? At that point there’s no one qualified to run, not even Biden.

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              It’s short enough time that a new nominee would literally be disqualified from the ballot in some states.

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                The only state that requires certification before the convention is Ohio. A state we aren’t counting on and have little to no chance to win unless we suddenly run Reagan 2.0.

                There’s 49 other states that would still be in play, including all of the normal blue states and swing states.

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      Why are you so certain that people would instantly vote for a new candidate more than the incumbent president? I have only seen polls saying the exact opposite.

      Regardless, time is ticking out. If a new candidate is gonna have time to build any sort of support or momentum, they need to get started yesterday and hit the ground running, the election is just getting closer.

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        I have only seen polls saying the exact opposite

        An incumbent with what? A 34% approval rating?

        Biden isn’t a normal incumbent he’s literally a historically unpopular incumbent…

        And for months now polls have been showing a smaller gap between almost anyone else and trump.

        Like, do you not understand this is Biden with the campaign and DNC behind him versus people who can’t even say they’re thinking about running yet?

        You don’t think that would give them even a 5% boost?

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        The pro-trump crazies aren’t the majority of the Republican party anymore.

        One of them literally just shot him a couple days ago in case you haven’t heard…

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          The pro-trump crazies aren’t the majority of the Republican party anymore.

          this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party. the dems need to give a reason for a solid majority of people to get off their asses and vote - apparently the threat of a literal fucking fascist takeover isnt quite enough.

          “I’m not trump!” is typical dem fantasy BS at this point. the maga crazies taste blood and are about to frenzy feed.

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            this is an underappreciated truth, but they quite clearly control the party

            Moderate Dems don’t represent the Dem party either. But they control it.

            Both parties are controlled by the most rightwing factions, even tho most of the voters don’t like it.

            So we end up with most people voting against someone and not for anyone.

            That’s how we end up with 2/3s if the country not being happy if either of the two main parties win.

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        1 year ago

        Hillary with Joe as VP, then in 2028 they’ll say it has to be Hillary again because for some reason no one under 70 has enough experience…

        I just like reminding myself that it can always be worse.