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People. We, the French, pulled a left-wing coalition out of our asses in less than a week and managed to “win” an election. You have months. Hope is permitted.
It’s very true. We’ve been brainwashed into a year long campaign mostly because it generates a lot of money for various parties but prior elections have proven it’s mostly what happens in the last month that makes a difference.
Y’all are lucky you can make coalitions, though. This is more akin to your election if you only had centrists and far right running. Two party system and all that.
So we need a French immigrant to help fix the government?
I think you’ll start to see a lot more excitement in the next few weeks.
I’m already noticing a lot of hype for Kamala 🤞
I mean, ok, what’s not to hype? The second Black president, but in two centuries, it would be the first woman. The right’s heads will collectively explode if she wins.
The last time a black person became president, they got Trump. A black woman president will be…Super Trump?
I shudder to think what they could come up with that would worse than Trump, because we know there is no depth the bar can’t sink to
A guy just as completely lacking in any sort of shame, morals, or empathy, but actually smart. He’d also have to be smart enough to hide the fact that he’s smart, because the GOP relies on the “really fucking stupid” vote.
Thank you
Props to the French voters for shutting out the Rally.
Most of the French voters.
Damn good job in the second round.
Can someone find the “hope is kindled” gif from LoTR Return of the King? When Pipin lights the beacon of Minas Tirith. I can’t find it.
You are a wonderful human. May you find 20 bucks in a pocket of the next coat you put on
Thanks for your support! And very happy to see your success in France.
Lord have merci
We don’t really do coalitions here. Our voting system doesn’t allow for it.
It does happen within Congress itself though, when different sects of the two parties cross the aisle to join with the other party on certain issues. But since Congress doesn’t elect a prime minister, it doesn’t happen for the presidency.
I know. You’re missing my point. :)
My point wasn’t the coalition. My point was that we had 21 days to cobble something together and not only did we do it, we managed to win with it. It’s not about the coalition, it’s about building a campaign. You have months to do so.
And you’re about to say that Trump had way longer to do so. Yes. So did the far right in our country, which barely even campaigned because all of the media were doing so on their behalf for the last two years and we still managed to outnumber them.
Trust me, my faith in the Democrats is barely existent. But still, I think it can be done.
A “long” election campaign in the UK is 6 weeks. In 1992 they had one that was just 30 days.
Months is plenty of time, especially in the modern world. Maybe 250 years ago it was necessary to campaign for months on end so that the candidate could personally travel by train to every state. But, with modern media (both traditional and social), there’s no real reason for campaigns to be as long as they are. The only reason they’re this long is that the thought is that the earlier you start campaigning, the better. So, each side keeps starting earlier and earlier, making it effectively into a neverending campaign cycle.
US election campaigns have gotten longer, not storter in modern times. The reasons are complicated but mostly shitty.
Yeah, probably infinite money being pumped in allowing campaigns to start earlier and earlier.
Well spoken.
A few months in politics is an eternity. Yes, things are chaotic right now, but this is short term. We can unify after this. And we can win.
America has no left wing. The dems have now handed Trump the win since its way too late to change the candidate and Harris is completely invisible
France W
I fuckin’ hope so. 🤞🏽
It’s a binary choice in the US presidential election, that isn’t even based on the popular vote.
The regime provides two choices, people do a circle jerk, regime gets their candidate.
Win win!
Unless you work for money
Thank you, French. You’re awesome. I was losing hope, and yet a miracle happened.
Good job.
“Hope and change” is back in it to win it.
Motherfucking Obama at it again.
Lol, Obama comming back would be incredible. Is he even allowed to? He already served two terms
He’s not allowed to but people are saying Michelle could be the pick, but that would only be marginally better than Kamala
They need Gretchen, Pete, or Kelly
Jon Stewart. Someone go pull him and make him do it. There’s no one better to take down Trump.
I mean I’d love it and I’m going back and forth on this comment. His biggest negative is those who lean right will see him exactly as he is “a New York Jew”
That said, who better to trounce Trump and humiliate his ass? I think the only thing better would be Michelle Obama. Trump would lose his absolute shit debating and/or losing to a woman let alone a black woman.
Watch that fucker drop the N bomb in a debate against her lol
He’d be miserable the whole time, but we’d all be better off. Please Jon!
A 2-woman ticket would never work. It’s going to be very dicey having a woman leading the ticket with a man as VP, given how sexist the US electorate is.
What’s sexist is going on and on about how a woman is unelectable.
Yes, reality is sexist. But, you can’t just live in a fantasy land.
A friend of mine was running a restaurant, and before a major business meeting, her 2nd said that he should do all the talking because the other party was sexist and wouldn’t listen to a woman.
She fired his ass, rightfully. That is not what progress looks like. Step up and fight against sexism, don’t concede to that shit.
Why’d you put “win” in quotes?
Because we only have a relative majority and now Macron is teaming up with the hard right (not the far right, the other right right that is not center right… Yeah, too much right is wrong) to deprive us of any path to government. Shit sucks. But it could have sucked way harder.
It’s also a strategic moderate move to keep the hard right from merging with Reform.
I’m hoping the left wing parties aren’t locked out and still able to get progress made.
Cuddling up to the hard right might look like a strategical move but it never works. Normalising them only shifts the discussion further to the right. And let’s face it… in this post-factual time where all that matters is the narratives, giving them a platform will only help to brain-wash more people into believing right-wing fake-solutions to actual problems.
Couldn’t agree more.
Because, well, the left coalition came out ahead of the vote but then started to loose ground to political shenanigans. War is not over but a significant battle was lost.
You, the French, have not been the target of a 40 year war against public education by the right wing. Americans are on average significantly less capable of rational thought because of it. Source: I am an American raised in the crippled education system I mentioned before.
It’s a bit naive to think Western Europe hasn’t been under attack from the right wing at least as long as the US has. They’ve had wars over it that never really reached US shores, and it never really went away. All of the strategies that have been used in the US were piloted and honed in Europe – look up the activities there by Manafort, Stone, Bannon, etc. all the same names who have been implementing the shit you’re seeing in the US were active in Western and Eastern Europe years before this. It’s been going on there far longer.
It’s amazing to me that people in the US haven’t been paying attention to what’s gone on there and learning from their successes.
I don’t understand you people in this thread.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing? Are you for real? They’re doing EXACTLY what people have been asking for. They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
Fucking hell you guys, make up your fucking mind.
Sincerely,
A Canadian with severe anxiety over your next presidential election.
One thing I appreciate about Canadian elections is how quickly they happen. An election is called, campaigning is like a month or two and then we find out the new government just hours after casting our votes.
You’re a non-global superpower with a total population smaller than California, 90% of which lives 100 miles or less from the US border. It would be bizarre if your elections were as complicated as the United States.
US elections are definitively complicated, but for no good reason. It is a lot because of the complex old laws, traditions, first-past-the-post and that primary elections don’t happen together but individually in different states over a period of one year.
If we would just use the popular vote to decide the election and use ranked choice voting we would have election done much faster and would pickup a candidate, that most people would be happy with.
RCV already showed in Alaska that it makes it very hard for the least desirable candidate to win when there are two better candidates that people are divided over (i.e. with FPTP Palin (who most Alaskans hate) would normally win)
EU Parliament elections are fast like the Canadian too. It can definitely be done at a large scale.
This is your brain on American exceptionalism lmao
The United States isn’t an exception here. There are many other countries with larger populations and/or that have dramatic geopolitical influence. Canada just isn’t one of them.
Isn’t the UK’s voting process basically identical to Canada’s?
The UK is smaller than Oregon.
Those are not necessarily the same people.
But there is no good option here. The good option would have been to run a good candidate over a year ago. That time has obviously long since passed.
The US “election cycle” is insane. You don’t need to be running a candidate over a year before the election. 3 months is more than enough time to tell people who your candidate is and what they are running on, and you have more than 3 months.
Yes, it would have been better to announce earlier, but jesus christ he is too fucking old for this shit. Stepping back now is still better than pushing through.
Especially with how calcified the voting population is. Each candidate has something like a 44% floor of people who already know they’re going to vote for “the Democratic candidate” and the only question is how many of them actually go to the polls and what the remaining randos decide. And only in a handful of swing states. Most of the system is already predetermined.
I agree the timeframe isn’t the main issue. It’s more concerning that the nominee isn’t getting selected through the primaries/caucuses where actual voters are involved in choosing the nominee.
You can’t just launder $2B of campaign contributions overnight. You need a year or two to filter it credibly through pundits, consultants, pollsters, and advertisers.
Basically, you can
Lemmy, as opposed to reddit, has seemed to be very much on the Keep Biden train for some reason.
I for one will be happy with any candidate that can do two to three campaign appearances per day for the next four months and doesn’t have the Genocide Joe baggage. Everything else is gravy.
Lemmy is full of wealth social liberals who would rather be conservative if it wasn’t for the fascism. So they think things should just stay the same as long as possible for them to feel comfortable in their life. But argue they are progressive cause they have trans friends.
I’m pretty happy with this change and have been rallying for it for 4 years.
Yeah, unfortunately people don’t understand that, of the IT guys and linux users and sysadmins that are gonna be most likely to want to migrate over here as a result of reddit going to shit, a lot of those are going to be furries and trans people, sure. But the other half of that demographic is gonna be the most incredible middle class financial anxiety liberal grifter white dudes you’ve ever seen, no question.
All of this should have been done a couple years ago for presidential hopefuls to gather resources and prepare for the elections. The assumption that Biden was seeking a second term stalled a lot of minor steps needed to build a campaign. Biden stepping down a month before the DNC is gonna be a shit show. Who’s gonna run for becoming a candidate? How are they gonna fundraise quickly enough to get the word out? This is a clusterfuck of poorly timed decisions and I only hope the new candidate can gather enough support to win the presidential election. Given the Democratic party’s penchant of favoring people from their inner circle, I doubt they’ll be well received by the general public to begin with.
Non-issue. Kamala Harris is the heir apparent.
Who is a black woman. Which means that unfortunately she has a pretty steep uphill battle to win the presidency.
In fact I think it would drive more of the non voting republicans to the polls.
Honest question, are there that many non voting Republicans? They tend to be pretty rabid.
Honestly I don’t know, but I assume just like with democrats there is a large poor population that normally cant make it to voting.
And with a black women running for president i just see the racists and sexists organizing more to help bring those voters in.
Well, to be fair, he should have stepped down a year ago, or at least 3 months ago. I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.
Anyway, I respect Biden. I honestly think he was a better president than Obama, Bush, Trump and Clinton. Perhaps the best since Carter or JFK.
I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.
He specifically denied that when asked. To be fair he did say he was a “bridge to a new generation” or something, that’s where I think a lot of people are getting this one term commitment thing from.
I vaguely remember him saying he was going to be a 1 term candidate in 2020.
You’re correct, he did. Everyone forgot that for some reason. Note that this article is from 2019:
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129
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So add those together and it implies he doesn’t think Harris has the chops. But, to be fair, if that was actually the plan, they would’ve given her much more PR over the last 4 years.
If it weren’t Trump running I think he would have stepped aside. He believed in 2019, and probably still believes now, that he has the best chance against Trump and that Trump is a singularly existential threat.
it implies he doesn’t think Harris has the chops
Or that he changed his mind. Or that his assurances to aides that he wouldn’t run for a second term were just to shut them up.
Power is seductive, and I think it’s pretty likely that once he became president, he convinced himself that he was still the best one for the job, and that he uniquely deserved to continue to govern.
It feels like they have explicitly tried to prevent Kamala from getting positive coverage throughout.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down from the presidential race and give the place to someone else. … Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing?
Lol, you thought those people were arguing in good faith.
Ever since the debate, people have been calling for Joe Biden to step down
Yes, some.
Now I read the comments and everyone is criticizing and accusing the Democrats of not knowing what they’re doing
Yes, others.
Different people speak up on different days. This is especially true in social media where often people won’t speak up if they know they’re going to get jumped on.
They’re doing EXACTLY what needs to be done if they want to win.
How would this help them win exactly? I’m not really well tuned with politics
It was becoming more and more apparent that Biden didn’t stand a chance of winning, so staying in would’ve just handed the presidency to Trump. Now that he’s dropped out, the Democratic party can at least do something.
That was the narrative pushed by media and bots. According to https://www.270towin.com/ it doesn’t look like even assassination attempt had any impact. Also the polls really start to matter after conventions.
Yeah Polls show that Hillary has this and we don’t have to try anything different cause people will agree with me simply because I’m right, right?
Can you stop calling people bots and trying to still throw blame around the party and just get in line like your type keeps telling everyone else too?
Well there are bots that are influencing others and there are the influenced people.
Biden wasn’t losing in polls despite the narrative, he is also extremely good at foreign policy and also was able to sneak some progressive things in bills. I don’t expect younger candidates to do well in that environment unless we get an absolute majority.
While a younger candidate can encourage younger people to vote, we still don’t know if Kamala (or whomever it will be) will do well in the swing states.
I hope it will turn out well though.
I mean many here openly support Putin too, what can you do
It’s fun, Lemmy having an option for searching user comments. See a user make a suss comment? Search their comments for ‘Ukraine’. If they’re a fascist, there’s a good chance they can’t help themselves but start talking about “Russia’s legitimate security concerns” or “2014 coup”
This was an astroturfing campaign covering our media and also via bots on social media.
I watched the debate and while he was slower, and mixed up words he actually was aware of US goals and challenges (despite what media tried to imply), trump was more energetic but he was constantly spewing nonsense, and while part of it was lying as usual, part of it was clear that he was actually getting lost.
I even wrote that in certain that if Biden steps down the same bots will start campaign how Democrats were cheated to discourage them from voting (like it was worth Bernie).
I’m definitively voting for Kamala now no matter what ridiculous bullshit they will come up on her on September-October (you can be sure there will be some scandal that will turnout to be nothing burger after election). I got fooled (like a lot of people) in 2016 to vote 3rd party and we got trump.
Republicans are actually a minority they can only win if they discourage enough people from voting. That’s why they are against laws that that make voting easier.
I actually was hoping Biden would run as he has great experience with foreign leaders as well as very successful reaching compromises and passing bills that otherwise wouldn’t fly.
As I say though I will 100% vote for Kamala (or whomever will be the democratic candidate), definitively not the fascist party and in fact anyone on Democrats side looks good.
I got fooled (like a lot of people) in 2016 to vote 3rd party and we got trump.
So rare to see someone actually say these words outside of pointing the finger at others. Kudos.
Biden was definitely good.
It’s a shame he had to compromise though. But it got things pushed through, like you said.
He’s just too old. Democrats need fresh blood.
Also, I wonder if that COVID ain’t kicking his ass right now. Being so old, it’s possible he won’t even survive. Who knows.
He has the best medical help one could get, I don’t think covid would kill him, but I think covid could be what finally made him realize how fragile he is and what would happen if he would die just before the election.
I didn’t say any of that. With only four months until the election, I think this is kind of dumb.
It absolutely blows my (Canadian) mind that four months is considered ‘short’ for a campaign.
Do you elect new leaders every three months?
In most European countries governments are elected for 3-6 years (though they may end up happening more frequently since, most places, it’s possible to call early elections). The campaigning only really happens for 1-2 months before the election.
The fact that the US essentially spends 1.5-2 years campaigning for a 4 year position is insanity to me!
That’s pretty interesting, thanks for sharing. It probably also has to do with a more strict balance of power. Our president is now our king, but really it’s only the presidential election that has constant campaigning for the next election. It’s ok now though, we’ll no longer need that, as our king will choose the next one
Dumb to not let Trump win? Cause that is what was going to happen if he stayed in.
Oh, you have a crystal ball and already saw what happened in the future?
Yes I do. Thanks for asking.
Many of the people involved in such agitation are not arguing in good faith. They simply want to attack the ‘libs’ at every opportunity, and reality be damned.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Because it will be contested.
from the article
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
It’s not people wanting a fair process. It’s maga. They want a king.
I’ll say just one thing:
Every single one of you assholes who wouldn’t shut up about him stepping down since the dude missed the toilet bowl fifty years ago after a particularly wild night out better sure as fuck step up now that Old Joe has stepped down.
A sitting god damned President of the United States has stepped aside less than half a year before reelection. Make no mistake: The man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision. Let’s honor that by creating a wall of votes so god. damned. thick. Riley Reid would gasp.
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man swallowed his pride and ego HARD to make this decision.
Should anyone care about his pride and ego?
People are now saying Trump is winning because Joe step down. Like the fuck you guys want lmao
Am one of those “assholes”. Kamala was far from my favorite candidate in 2020, but I just donated a hefty (for me) chunk of change and will be volunteering. I didn’t need perfection, just a feasible path to victory in November and now we have it. I’m so pumped right now, project 2025 no longer looks like an inevitability. LFG!
Lmao
It took pretty much the entire Democratic party calling for him to step down before he would.
He came out and said multiple times that he wasn’t going anywhere. He was forced out.
Biden did several classy things during some real fuckin difficult times. I can’t imagine how tough this decision was. I really hope we as a country can galvanize solid opposition and keep Trump/Vance’s asses out. Let’s be grateful for the good Biden has done, and if Kamala is the next up that gets the nomination, support the hell out of her.
So well played!..let them spend millions and millions on a campaign against Joe, then as soon as Dumbnald was picked, Joe bugs out and in his place…first black woman multiracial presidential candidate. Vs. crazy rapist felon, who would win?
C’mon republicans! Your move! 😉. Maybe bring back the girl who can see Alaska from her house because she lives in Alaska and not ruzzia.
Biden is our democratic palisade to the January 6th coup on the United States of America.
Whatever else Biden did, Biden stopped the flood. That is the Biden legacy to me.
Trump gets attention for nearly getting assassinated.
Biden: Hold my Metamucil
Well guys… Have you seen Trump’s mental decline since he last ran?! How old is he now?
Surely nobody would be dumb enough to vote someone that old into office now… That is… What we have been saying? Right guys?
for everyone sake: phew. i feel sorry for him, he obviously lacks energy and needs to not be trying to run america and fight trump.
I know people will say this is bad, a new campaign will be rushed, etc. But I think we all know Biden was an excuse for many not to vote, or worse, to vote for Trump. Withdrawing will be his legacy when we win, not his failing.
Thank you President Biden. You are a hero.
Biden absolutely did the right thing and, perhaps, the most courageous thing.
Democrats would have coalesced around him if decided to keep going but we’ve been begging him to step aside. This is a key difference between Trump “fans” and Biden voters. We’re not drawn to him as a personality.
Once a candidate is selected, I don’t care who it is, we must support them because not doing so is voting for an end to democracy.
The fact that we’re here is a travesty.
People have done more with less campaign time and he will go down as having listened and done what was requested of the people and party I honestly think this says a lot of good stuff about the democratic party and Biden once we get the spin right.
It won’t be hard. Kamala is going to be able to put a bullseye on Trump and republican politics like Biden simply wasn’t ever able to do. She’s going to be able to hyper focus on the deeply unpopular beliefs of the base and it will be hard for Trump or others to really deny it without losing their core supporters.
Further, because she’s relatively unknown there’s really not the same baggage as there was with Hillary. Most people don’t know who she is and I think that really plays to her favor.
Let’s be honest here, Trump will never lose his core supporters. He could literally turn out to be the devil incarnate, and his supporters will say it’s their god’s will. He’s a 34-count convicted felon and they see that as something to boast about.
The issue in this country is that the less educated are following those with a playbook of getting the less educated to vote, to vote for them, and in areas that games the electoral college system.
We were a hair’s breadth from another Trump term in 2020 by 11,000 votes in GA. Not to mention his coup attempt.
It cannot be that close again. It must be decisive. I hope Harris, if she is the nominee, can achieve that.
If we win in November, it’ll be because Biden made this selfless decision. He’ll deserve medals and statues.
Lol the Speaker of the House publicly called for him to step down. He was practically forced out.
Some hero.
I’m so thankful I live in a country where 4 months is (still) believed to be a ridiculously long amount of time to campaign.
Good luck America! Please show the rest of the world you’re still capable of making sane choices.
Nobody who would consider voting for Trump is going to vote for whoever replaces Biden. Nobody. This is about getting apathetic voters off their butt. Which I hope works, but every part of my being is telling me they’re going to pick someone who apathetic voters wouldn’t vote for anyway.
It’ll be great to have a woman talking about abortion and making this election a referendum on national abortion access.
Americans love to vote for something rather than against something.
But, when democrats lose due to this move… ???
I would have preferred him to stay on course. While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do. Biden was also likeable in public appearances. I have fuck all idea what Harris is like, and 5y of time vs like 4 months to win public opinion, oof it will be an absolute blitz. And I consider myself rather knowledgeable and up-to-date on US politics. I have friends that have no idea what’s going on at any given time, or why.
I need to research her now and become familiar, but I see this as a big negative for chances, not positive. Anxiety spiked hard about what’s to come.
Anyone in Canada looking for a roommate…?
While I don’t care what sex they are or color or whatever, a fuckload of garbage twats in this country sure as fuck do
This is my least favorite argument I keep seeing for why Biden shouldn’t drop out. The racist shit-heels you’re referring to were always going to vote for Trump regardless of who the Democratic candidate is. There is no reason for Democrats to try and appeal to racists, and even if there were it would be immoral to do so. Sacrificing your values to win is no true victory.
You’re losing your nerve, and while that’s understandable, it’s self-sabotage.
Except for the bank of those who are just Russian agents who will undoubtedly find some new “excuse” why the Democrat candidate is not fit to run.
Fwiw, I am harshly critical of most elected dems but I have never considered not voting. I think I and many people hold our allies (for lack of better term) to higher standards and get angrier when they fuck up. So I think a lot of these posts are just that. Harsh criticism of a candidate =/= not voting for them. People are strategic about voting pragmatically, they’re just also very frustrated with the dem establishment’s behavior.
Expect lots of “cop” comments in regards to Harris from
Russianstotally real leftists.She was a cop. She called herself the “top cop”. I fucking hate the police and she’s got my vote over a literal pedophile felonious fascist.
I’m no fan of cops, but I think this actually plays very well with the political environment. Recent elections saw rebukes of progressive Police policies in the Pacific North West. As much as I wish it were otherwise, that message isn’t resonating with voters even in considerably progressive areas.
Having a traditional prosecutor may be an advantage in that regard. And it may provide us a new avenue to look at how we can have better policing that more people will support.
Seriously, thank you for voting.
She was a cop. She did the thing we wish all cops did and left the profession.
For all of y’all anxiety-pilled people: this is great news. Biden was stuck in negative momentum because his health issues had been exposed and were not going to stop resulting in terrible headlines, which is a problem whoever comes next is not going to have, unless the delegates are somehow stupid enough to pull another dinosaur from below the rug.
More interestingly: now that Biden has pulled out because he’s patently too old, as it was a concern for plenty of voters, this is a golden opportunity to put the focus on the other candidate whose age is a somewhat less obvious but still noticeable issue.
If 34 felonies, rape, insurrection, etc. Didn’t sway people Im not sure age is the thing that’ll turn them around.
Yeah, but just think of all the clips we can show of Faux News talking heads saying someone in their 80s is too old for President, and do the ol’ switcharoo
Exactly! We now have a much younger, well-spoken, and intelligent candidate who can square off against someone who probably can’t remember the last time they wiped their own ass. Let’s go, Kamala!
I still I still believe that Biden is more cogent than Trump any dementia patient can rant about nonsense for 2 hours. It takes more brainpower when you can’t just rattle off whatever lies popped into your head 5 mid sentence.
The biggest hot-topic issue this election should have been abortion (and by extension, SCOTUS). But the discussion got side-tracked by all this talk of old age. The debate just reinforced the narrative and concern with Biden. They would have hammered him over and over, with Trump bragging about how quickly he recovered from an injury.
Now, we have:
- A sittingVP with actual Whitehouse experience, who can take credit for all the economic policies under Biden. Also, a former Senator.
- A prosecutor and former Attorney General vs a convicted felon.
- The age issue disappears (in fact, it now becomes a liability against Trump).
- A woman vs the guy who bragged about killing Roe v. Wade.
- Future of SCOTUS.
If she just keeps talking about those topics non-stop, she’ll do fine.
The only thing better would have been if Biden had resigned to let people see her in the actual role, but this works. She picks a mid-westerner as VP who can stand up to Vance and it’s a whole new ballgame.
I’m actually stoked about this race again.
Oh boy, I can’t wait for armchair pundits who were calling for Joe to step down to now turn around and start to nitpick Harris as if that wasn’t going to be the obvious successor.
I’m 100% behind Harris or anyone who gets the Dem nom. Trump must be stopped.
This is still a battle for America’s soul. Are we going to accept the first female president or the first convicted felon president? I sure hope the left turns out for this one, even if they aren’t super stoked about it, because we might never recover from another Trump disaster.
Jesus, I hope they can piece a campaign together in the few remaining months
It would be an awful lot easier than trying to salvage Biden’s image as it stands. If they do it right this should be super easy, but if they drag their heels on the changes necessary then it might be a lot harder.
This is BIG opportunity to rebrand and show what really matters to the party.
Yeah it was going to be impossible to properly move forward from this. There would be too much media coverage and division and lingering questions.
Now though, we have a real opportunity to unify, and make several arguments to voters – Democrats listened and picked a younger candidate. We can also flip the script on candidate age now
Have you met the DNC?
But this is the DNC…
Booo the DNC just made an unprecedented pivot which the people actually wanted.
This is the perfect opportunity to do that! But I have absolutely zero faith in them actually doing that.
But maybe I’ve become jaded in my age with politics. Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
Maybe they won’t just choose the worst possible option.
Her turn 2.0 watch out yall here comes Hillary! /$
Lol seriously.
Also “Her Turn” as a campaign slogan was so bad.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
I’m sure it will all work out when Republicans contest the new candidate… Fuck me what is this idiocy.
The thing is, it’s not the Democratic Party replacing Biden anymore. Biden has willfully stepped down, and given his support to Harris. To put it another way, Biden is no longer “being replaced”.
But, that may not matter in the long run. The question now is when/if Republicans take this to court, and whether or not the judge decides to hear the case or not and how long that will take.
As far as I know, judges have historically decided not to pursue a case if it would impede the election process (e.g., gerrymandered district ruled illegal, but still used because not enough time to redraw maps). I would like to hope that the Democratic Party gets the same curtsy in this case.
However, I feel that right now given the current political climate, and the current way judges have been deciding in favor of the Republican agenda, this may not be the case and the new candidate will be tied up in legal tape to be able to campaign properly. The Republicans will cease upon this opportunity and use it against the Democratic Party to make them look weak and unable to do anything they say they will do. And to be honest, they won’t be wrong.
Democrats are their own worst enemy, and their hubris will be to all of our detriment.
Dems haven’t even officially nominated anyone yet, dont think the republicans would get very far with that stunt
Who’s going to stop them? The Supreme Court?
If you think they’re that off the rails then they don’t need this as a premise to challenge Democrats in the first place.
Are they going to force Biden to run against his will or what is the plan here? If Biden dies, are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
are Democrats not allowed to run at all because they aren’t allowed to replace him.
Bingo.
from the article
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Was Bidens image really that bad outside of these internet circles?
Yes.
Other countries have whole campaign seasons that are shorter. We’ve just gotten used to multi-year campaigns and never-ending reelection efforts. It wasn’t always like this, and I don’t think it’s good for us long-term.
They have the media bomb of “no incumbent” leading the headlines. This is one of the only media maneuvers that would change the conversation from “That Trump overcame assassination and adversity!” At this point a major shift was needed.
The year and a half back log of memes against Biden that right wing contractors have saved up are now worthless. The right will have 3 months to make a cohesive media smear campaign (which they can do against the right candidate) but it will require lots of downtime as the high paid think tanks make astroturf.
The fact that Republican troll farms have to now spend time coming up with new material puts a small smile on my face.
They will move swiftly though, while the Democrats are used to being sluggish, so vigilance is in order.
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They’ll probably pick Clinton to run again and she’ll still probably be making references to Pokémon Go to pull in the youth vote.
Plenty of other countries’ electoral campaigns advance far faster than Americans expect theirs to move, and US media is talking about politics all the damn time. If the Dems don’t do a massive screw up somehow, I think they’ll find out that switching the candidate will be far easier than they were expecting.
Other countries have pulled out elections in two weeks. The us may not have that experience though. The campaign however had been directed at his opponent’s well known incompetence and malice. That may be the advantage of divisive politics.
It’s the same campaign, still has half the ticket on it.
Mike Johnson has literally already made it clear that in these circumstances he intends to CONTEST the new candidate being allowed on ballots.
We live in the fucking stupidest ass timeline.
The time for dropping Biden was before the fucking primaries and now we’re walking right the fuck into a Republican trap.
Fuck me, someone just kill me now so Trump can’t institutionally fucking murder me.
Source: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Democrats are fuckin morons who want to lose.
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Mike Johnson is (as usual) full of shit. The DNC is still a month away and not a single state ballot deadline has passed.
That doesn’t mean they won’t tie this up in the courts I’ve a bogus legal theory that the Supreme Court will turn into a reality… Mark my words, unless Biden packs the court, this one is on Clarence Thomas’s desk stat
How do you plan to recalibrate your BS meter after seeing how you were wrong here?
By just admitting I was wrong and that didn’t happen? Not that hard
Saving this comment for later.
Minus 5 votes, wonder why
I didn’t downvote you but it may be because the DNC hasn’t even happened yet.
No one can “make biden run”. If he died tomorrow we are suppose to vote for a literal corpse? Boooo
Biden isn’t even the nominee yet that’s one of the reasons it was important this happened before the DNC. Before the nomination this is no official presidential candidate, ol’ Mikey Poo-Bear is yaking out of his ass. Mike even said “some legal impediments in at least a few of these jurisdictions”, he’s just posturing for attention. No more threatening than a bantam rooster when you walk in his coup.
from the article
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
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Plus whatever strategy repubs were going to use to smear Biden is up in smoke.
Yeah the reality is that Biden was 95% going to lose to Trump. Picking a new person is usially a huge risk, but in this case there wasn’t much to lose.
As things stand right now, Trumps chances of winning just went down a bit. Worst case, they pick someone terrible with similar (non-)chances to Biden. Best case, they pick someone who wins.
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Biden was going to lose to Trump and was dragging other Democrats down with him in the polls. What more did you need?
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Not for nothing but four months should be plenty to do an election in. 24 hour news media has convinced you that it’s got to be a 2-year endeavor. In all honesty 2 months should be plenty. Four is fine. Our entire country would be much better off if election seasons were shorter.
The UK Labour Party won a landslide election on 6 weeks notice
Smaller country, less money involved… but here’s hoping.
Edit: I’m not sure why I’m being downvoted. Comparing the speed of the British election cycle to that of the US is mismatched. Yes, US elections are ridiculous and bloated, but that’s still the reality of them. Regardless, we’ll have to do things faster based on circumstances.
France put together a winning left coalition in 2 weeks.
How does the US being a bigger, wealthier, country mean we are weaker? I’m so tired of these arguments about what we can’t do. If Biden dropped out 2 weeks before November it would be a disaster. As it is, he is listening to the legitimate concerns of the people.
It’s going to be vote blue no matter who
So the same thing that’s been said to get people to vote for Biden in the first place?
If the Biden campaign was mostly running on “Not Trump,” anyone they replace him with will also not be Trump.
A lot of people just felt like it was time to trade in their Not Trump for a newer model Not Trump. Sure there were other Not Trumps we could’ve gone with a year ago, but those Not Trumps are no longer on the market. So we’re going with the best available Not Trump right now.
This Not Trump isn’t in mint condition (but none of them are), but it has much better mileage and it has more acceleration and a better top speed.
As is the case with all Not Trumps this one is a better choice than Trump. Obviously.
Who cares if it’s Kamala? She’s not senile, she’s not Genocide Joe, and she’s not an unhinged fascist. She’s a shoe-in.
Newsom is the only option with any chance of winning, but democrats aren’t even trying to win this election.
I don’t think you realize how much of a stink “California Governor” has in middle America.
It’s bullshit. We should all be so lucky to live in a place like California, but fox News Propaganda has been working for decades convincing disengaged voters that Cali is a hellscape.
I think Newsom would make a fantastic President, but I am not convinced he has the best chance to win.
They’re clearly trying to win if they got so scared about polls they strong-armed Biden into resigning. The panic has pretty clearly set in. We’ll see if this works or not.
They’re ‘trying to win’ just like they were in 2016. We need a massive change in party leadership.
Harris or Manchin.
Harris actually sounds pretty good when she’s talking politics. Her tough on crime past can give her a boost with moderates and centrists as well. She just has the weirdest mannerisms when trying to relate to people.
Manchin has obvious appeal to centrists and moderates. His biggest issue is his opposition to climate change action. But other than that he’d be considered liberal by '90s standards.
Newsom needs to go through the primary process to see if he can appeal to swing state voters. Because I’m not convinced he can win those margin votes that he needs.
They’ve 100% thought through this. Harris takes over the Biden / Harris campaign war chest, and if Biden drops out now, the party can go into the align around Harris before the convention. And now we have 3+ months to get people hyped about not voting for an old white dude.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/johnson-replacing-biden-ticket-wrong-unlawful/story?id=112129063
Have they, though? Republicans are going to contest whomever they replace him with. This is fucking dumb. We should have dropped Biden as the candidate from the get-go. Too late, this is stupid.
Republicans are going to play every trick in the book, legal, moral, ethical or not. They will shout it at the rallies, take every opportunity to stir up shit on television (with help from Koch and Sinclair owned media) and you will hear every reason why the democratic nominee cannot be President. If Democrats find someone with a squeaky clean record and the Republicans can’t find anything truthful, they’ll fabricate it with ease. “Kamala Harris ate a moldy bagel in 2018 therefore she can’t be president.”
The one advantage Democrats have at this very second, is that Republicans and Trump can’t use the media machine to pre-emptively smear any one person, since nobody knows who the nominee will be yet. Use this opportunity well and combat the “ahh confusion, somehow only Trump makes sense” narrative that will be sure to be floated.
From the article you linked to:
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
You’ve posted this 5 times in this thread in the last 20 minutes. Take a moment to read your own link…
Election law expert Richard Hasen wrote that there is “no credence” to the notion that the Democratic Party could not legally replace Biden on the ticket, as he is not the nominee yet – the nominating process generally takes place during the Democratic National Convention.
Boooo
This only indicates the GOP does not want to be running against Kamala Harris.
This is a good sign.
Yes they can. This is the right choice. Democrats will be more energized than ever now. Hopeful they keep it open to the delegates to vote at the convention after a few people step forward.
Lol… From a foreigner this is hilarious. Some of you still want to support the guy that tried disrupt the governmental process… He called the frigging election investigator FFS. You can listen to him tell her how 'her job is the most important in The country rn… and talk at length about how fraud will be found.
People that want trump want a king. Plain and simple.
