• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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      Yes - and that’s because most often it’s applied to people who have few alternatives to criminality. There isn’t a good deterrence when good alternatives don’t exist. This is looking at the general population, and the death penalty is not effective then.

      Which is exactly what I stated above - it’s different when you’re dealing with elites, and there actually is a deterrence effect then.

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        In guessing you get to decide who is an elite.

        Look, I’m all for enforcing our laws and punishing elites and I happen to believe that billionaires shouldn’t even exist, but frankly on the three main claimed benefits of the death penalty - deterrence, cost and incapacitation - the evidence is nonexistence or in outright opposition, and would be met with proper life without parole without running afoul of the Blackstone dilemma.

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          Me? No. We supposedly decide laws through democratic means.

          I’d say individuals with a net worth of a billion dollars, or who are the President of the US, are a good start though.

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            I’m pretty sure we couldn’t agree on a universal definition that wouldn’t be subject to error or interpretation, and after we’ve killed an innocent person and likely created a martyr and a drive to retribution by some segment of the population, we can’t really back out of that mess.

            There’s a perfectly workable solution that aligns with the imperfections and uncertainties of justice, and conveniently also achieves the same or better metrics as evidenced by countless studies on the topic. Seems like an easy decision.

            However that won’t satisfy retributive blood lust, or make anyone feel like a tough guy when advocating for it, so the death penalty persists where those things are important.

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                Well, that understandable drive for retribution - which blinds us to principles of equality and justice - is exactly why we don’t let victims administer justice or mete out punishments.

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                  the principles of equality and justice

                  “The law, in its infinite wisdom, prohibits both poor and rich alike from sleeping under bridges”.