• RaskolnikovsAxe@lemmy.ca
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    4 days ago

    Ok so you’re not talking about CSA in general;, in fact you’re not talking about any crime in particular, but rather the power possessed by those who perpetrate them?

    How would this work? Is torture ok? How do you determine who is powerful enough? How do you prevent uncertainty and/or other powerful interests hijacking the justice system?

    You know what’s easier and remains in line with fundamental values of liberal justice systems? Just no death penalty. Start by actually enforcing laws against the powerful, with penniless and impotent lifetimes spent in prison. Avoid creating martyrs and endless cycles of violence and retribution.

    And in the case of CSA, again, avoid creating piles of dead kids. If all of these criminals thought they were facing the death penalty the crimes and corruption would just get worse, to absolutely no benefit to us other than satisfying emotional blood lust.

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      4 days ago

      and remains in line with fundamental values of liberal justice systems?

      Start by actually enforcing laws against the powerful, with penniless and impotent lifetimes spent in prison

      powerful interests hijacking the justice system?

      The fact that those laws aren’t enforced against the powerful is exactly the “liberal” justice system - the best justice one can buy, and if you can’t afford it, you get none. That’s exactly the problem. It is hijacked now, by design. And why there does need to be a threat specifically against the powerful.

      If all of these criminals thought they were facing the death penalty the crimes and corruption would just get worse

      This is just a Louis CK bit of ‘at least you get the kid back’.

      And no, I’m not calling for the death penalty in general for CSA.

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        4 days ago

        I don’t think you understood what I meant when I referred to liberal justice systems, because you can’t conceive of any understanding of the word liberal unless it’s in a portmanteau with the word retard.

        The many demonstrable downsides of the death penalty (and lack of any evidenced differential benefits) goes well beyond Louis CK. Congratulations, you just discovered that comedians rehash ancient and serious political and philosophical discussions for laypersons. But you may wish to read the original material.

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          4 days ago

          Yeah, like I said, I grew up with this subject, so you can save the condescending bullshit. It’s pathetic. Apparently you can’t conceive that others can actually disagree with someone as amazing as you, and you alone, find your intellect to be.

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            1 day ago

            Give me one tangible, evidenced benefit. Not sure how you grew up with it and are still unable to figure out that your position is entirely supported by emotion.

            You’re not going to insult me by suggesting that I respect my thinking on this topic.

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              Give me one tangible, evidenced benefit

              Deterrence. And unlike most criminal cases, these are people who do indeed have other options and can easily make a choice not to run rape rings for the wealthy, can easily choose not to fuck children, etc.

              by suggesting that I respect my thinking on this topic.

              Oh, so you don’t respect it either? Cool bro, fuck off now.