Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.
How to watch it:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html
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Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!
tl;dw:
Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.
The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.
Oh. My. God.
It’s literally two old-as-fuck fucks arguing about their golf swings. This is literally how the debate is coming to a close. I just… I don’t even know what to say.
WE ARE SO FUCKED
Progressives tried to tell you.
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Ok, I guess I’ll have to make an edit of this then.
This a consequence of Democrat incompetence and inability to quickly adapt. Shit, I think that it’s part of Democrat culture to not take internal criticism of their own dimwittedness, slowpoken, numskull-ass, knuckleheadery. Some within the party are openly talking about replacing Biden this close to the election in a panic. If he does get replaced, I fucking hope they pull some miracle out their ass. Like imagine Biden voluntarily drops out and gives his nomination to Bernie. Alas, no one likes letting go of power, so this will remain a pipedream.
Ableist slurs aren’t allowed. :)
Bring in Gavin Newsom NOW.
The Onion from the top rope!
What the fuck are the moderators even there for?
So much time is being taken with, “let me keep talking about the question from ten minutes ago and ignore what you just asked.”
Sorry people with children. The question that focused on your issues were just skipped over.
I seriously doubt it but I really hope this is a wake-up call for Democrats. I remain convinced that Biden voluntarily stepping down and permitting a younger more charismatic figure in his place will be all that is needed to win, and I say this for a few reasons:
- By the polling, age is a huge issue for a significant majority of Americans, with it clearly harming Biden more.
- Any youthful semi-in-the-shadows candidate will be fresh for Americans, who will be excited for anything different.
- The right-wing talking-points won’t be pre-written.
- By Biden & Democrats getting ahead of this and saying, “look we recognize the electorate’s concerns and what’s at stake and we know the people by large majorities don’t want either President, so we’re responding,” they would get major points.
Call it a reverse-October surprise.
That being said, this is the earliest debate ever and Trump still needs to go through sentencing in July. People won’t really remember this debate, but it certainly did not help Biden in any capacity.
Oh, they will play this debate in clips forever.
We live in an age of YouTube and tiktok shorts.
That “destroy Medicare” gaff that Trump capitalized on clowning him for is definitely gonna make the rounds. Makes Trump look sharp (honestly in the case it was fairly witty) and Biden look senile.
I’d elect just about anyone over Trump but c’mon Biden.
The memes write themselves.
I’m just wondering how much impact it will really have since there are already montages of Biden’s senility going around.
We all know that Biden is a liability. BUT WHO WILL REPLACE HIM? I don’t like the man but who else in the party can take his role? Nobody credibly challenged him during the primary. Harris doesn’t poll as well as Biden and does worse. We’re stuck with him because nobody stepped up all year or last year, and everyone who wants him to step down thinks some magic TBD savior can show up out of nowhere and magically do better. Heck, Dean Phillips tried to run for president on the exact same issues and promised identical policies just in a younger person and he lost the race badly.
We’re stuck with Biden, and likely will lose.
Gretchen Whitmer
“MAGA tried to kidnap and kill me” is a pretty good campaign narrative.
Put Big Gretch up top and keep Harris as the VP and I think they could smash Trump. I think you gotta keep Harris on board for this to be a smooth enough transition this late in the game. I think a ton of people would be excited about an all female ticket too.
Gretchen, Booker, Buttigieg, Abrams, even Newsom. Lots of potential candidates that are young, charismatic, and have largely clean slates like Obama.
People fell in line to avoid another 2016 infighting, not because we don’t have candidates. Literally anyone young would do better for aforementioned reasons.
The only way this works is if Biden voluntarily agrees and steps down, which ensures nobody is burned by the party.
Show me one with higher poll numbers than Biden. When they were head to head in 2020 each polled lower than Biden against Trump.
I don’t want to defend Biden. He should go. He is a corrupt old man with a ton of baggage and his Palestine policy was atrocious. But I don’t see any of those people beating Trump based on the data we have.
Really. You want me to show polls for something that hasn’t happened yet? In 2020, what are you talking about? Half these people I mentioned didn’t even run in the 2020 Primaries, forgetting the obvious logical fallacy that “Who does well in the primaries predicts who does better a year from then in the General Election.” In 2020, Joe Biden was 4 years younger and far less senile than he shows now while Trump’s support was lower mostly thanks to a botched handling of covid at the time.
There is not one data-point where Biden isn’t performing worse than he did at this time in 2020.
In the event Biden voluntarily steps down and either an open convention occurs or he endorses, is it really that inconceivable for you to believe overnight polling for such a candidate would skyrocket as both grassroots and establishment and MASSIVE widespread media press inundate such a person with coverage…?
I mean… What?
The data shows the American people (a) vehemently dislike both candidates, (b) perceive age to be a bigger issue with Biden, and © want fresh faces. Any of who I mentioned could’ve done better last night. Biden brings nothing to the table that the others cannot in this pressing moment.
We already have Newsom vs Biden and Newsom vs Trump polls. And the pundits talked endlessly in 2020 about the shortcomings of each candidate and why they’d struggle against Trump. We’ve been through this already.
If Biden steps down then of course whoever gets nominated will get a bump of course, but like we discussed collectively in 2020, they’d have their own separate hurdles. Bernie Sanders would energize many voters but his socialism talk would turn many voters off. Pete Buttigieg struggled to connect with voters of color. Warren had some political flubs and Trump launched many attacks on her etc. while there’s concern many Americans still won’t vote for a woman for president, and so on. The point I’m making is that you may find yourself in a situation in October where you WISH Biden was running again with his high poll numbers and solid national record that other candidates lack.
That’s a fair point but just consider these points:
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That’s an insane polling for someone who has not once threw their hat in the ring and actually campaigned nationally outside of California.
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We’re already starting with a President who is predicted by polling to lose to Donald Trump.
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Key to note, Biden’s numbers are generally baked in. Everyone knows everything about Biden, and the law of diminishing returns suggests nobody is going to find out something they dont’ already know.
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Whereas just the opposite is true with the likes of Whitmer & Newsom: months of viral media attention, actual national campaigns and speeches, debates, interviews – have the opportunity for someone to familiarize themselves with such alternate candidates and see the contrast of, “Wow, this guy can actually talk coherently and is far younger…” So you have to tell me with a straight face that once committed to be the nominee their name-recognition and approval skyrocket overnight.
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Mentioned weaknesses of candidates can be offset by a VP pick, as they always are.
In truth, we really haven’t been through this already. To conclude otherwise is to suggest that Joe Biden is literally the best candidate Democrats can field, which at his age and with his debate performance, is an incredibly low bar.
a President who is predicted by polling to lose to Donald Trump.
Biden’s numbers are baked in.
No, we have a president who is ahead in some polls and behind in others, 6 months before an election (which is generally unreliable since the polls fluctuate wildly this early). Pollsters and political scientists unanimously report polling in June is not reliable this soon before Labor Day. Look back and you’ll see HIllary, Romney, and Dukakis all ahead at this point in previous elections. The reason we are having this conversation is because people got skittish about the Debate, but we don’t even have accurate post-debate survey data at this time. The snap surveys by CNN and others showed a muddle of some people claiming Biden won anyway and others not. More data will come in next week.
And don’t forget the counterfactual; if you replace Biden despite winning the primaries in a landslide, you will anger many voters. Millions of people voted for Biden and this was not close; they rejected Dean Phillips and alternatives. People voted for Harris as a known backup; skipping her and having Newsom take over will cause a storm and backlash of a size we can’t quantify yet. There simply isn’t any data on Democratic voters that show any Biden remorse; you’re operating on the vibes from social media and some pundits.
In truth, we really haven’t been through this already.
Correct, and replacing Biden is a huge risk. It could cost the election the same way John McCain took a gamble on Sarah Palin and lost.
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Newsom looked strong on MSNBC post debate.
Honestly he would come out swinging and well backed financially. He’s moderate but not truly conservative from a leftist POV and moderate but not truly leftist from a “between the parties” POV.
He could do it.
Also I have a soft spot for California Gubernatorial races. They’re just more fun.
Id be happy with Bernie
But we could face similar issues in 2028
That section on Golf Dick Measuring is a pre written attack ad. This is not going away.
every day, event, poll, election is “a wake up call to Democrats”
That ship sailed over a year ago. We’re on this one. Get to bucketing.
wake up calls don’t do shit when you’re not interested in “waking up”
Youth don’t vote, only Boomers vote. This is a election decided by Boomers, with Boomer issues.
I don’t understand the point you’re making, sorry.
Dude, democrats are killing it in every other metric this election season. We got some serious swing state polling right now. You are exactly right that if we can get someone new and more progressive, it would be a slam dunk.
Hell, conservative media is pretty scared right now that this very thing may happen. They know it would not just hurt their chances, it would fuckin’ bomb them.
What I saw up there was elder abuse. That was sad for Biden and sad that the DNC cancelled primaries for this when they knew this was happening.
I’m voting for Biden still bc Trump is a piece of shit, but Biden is coming off old and weak in this debate. Trump is lying his ass off about everything and not getting called out on any of it, and because he’s spouting so much of it so quickly rapid-fire, it’s obfuscating and confusing the issues.
Yeah watched after his last rant the moderater said he had 37 seconds to answer the actual question asked and then allowed him to rant for another fucking minute and half. Then gave Biden 30 seconds to give a weak ass answer.
Why is Biden acting like he doesn’t know where he is? What the fuck.
It’s a torrent of bs from trump. It comes out so fast that there’s no way to cover it all and still get facts out along with future policy statements.
Trump is playing pigeon chess. Strutting around, telling lies, shitting all over everything, and will leave telling everyone he won.
No policy debate. Zero.
“I have the biggest heart on this stage!”
“I had the best environmental numbers!”
“I did not have sex with a pornstar!”
I lol’d at the part where he denied having sex with a porn star. Outrageous after just being convicted for misuse of campaign funds to bribe a porn star because he had sex with her.
I don’t like the Republican policy, but it is semi-coherent; isolation, xenophobia, anti-immigration, no abortions in red states, burn down the entire economy if it doesn’t work for rural areas. The Democrats don’t have a coherent policy; immigration yes but also no. Peace in Palestine, but also send weapons to Israel. Stop Russia at all costs, but send as little money and only expired weapons. This is the greatest economy of all time ever, even if you don’t feel it and can’t afford a house. Crime is down, too bad you don’t feel safe.
I agree on some points, the peace in Palestine while still sending weapons to Israel is just absurd. However the coherence of Republican policy is its reductionist simplicity and that it publicly really has nothing to do with running the country - while quietly working on their project 202x theofascist plans.
But then that’s a problem with liberal policy, it’s constantly trying to juggle all the needs of the many different groups in the country vs Republican policy which says there’s only one policy: Theirs.
Jon Stewart was kind of brutal:
“Lots of people have ‘resting 25th amendment face.’”
He’s not answering Jan 6 directly.
And he’s blaming Pelosi? For Jan 6? Did I hear that right?
and biden is not jumping on it. Fucking worthless old man just fucked us back to president trump.
We live in a world where Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho is more electable than the candidates we have.
I figured Idiocracy was prescient, but it’s coming true awfully fast.
Even by Idiocracy standards, You people gotta recognize something. President Camacho.
Former pro wrestler turned porn star turned president. He dresses in American flag pants, he addresses the nation by dancing, singing, and firing a gun into the air and rallying them with his aggressively patriotic (if completely empty) rhetoric. He’s energetic, likable, and absolutely captivating.
It’s not just flash, by the way. Sure, he may drive a monster truck, and sure, he wears a giant medal around his neck.
But President Camacho’s bombastic patriotism is not only inspirational and exciting and explosive, it’s also an incredibly useful quality for a leader to have, especially for his situation. America was struggling through a time of unprecedented poverty and loss, but it had a leader who still thought America was the best place in the world.
It’s not just President Camacho’s patriotism that makes him a great leader. Eventually, in the movie, Joe is brought to the attention of President Camacho.
This weird-talking time traveler with his fancy ideas made it all the way to the White House, because an IQ test claimed he was the smartest man alive.
And when that happened, President Camacho did a remarkable thing. He recognized that Joe was smarter, and he bowed to his wisdom.
Everyone ,everyone, in the world of Idiocracy resented Joe, because he talked differently and because his ideas, to them, sounded crazy. They turned against him out of their fear, their pride, and their inability to understand him.
Everyone else, when faced with Joe’s unconventional ideas, immediately went on the defensive and resented Joe. He didn’t fit in with their weird hive mind of delusion and idiocy.
Yet for all of his pomposity and ridiculousness, Camacho had the clarity of mind to look beyond all that. What he saw was a man who was smarter than himself, and he had no problem humbling himself and saying “Let’s trust the smart guy.”
I want President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho.
That man is what a true patriot looks like. Not these flag-waving insurrectionist stooges.
Do you feel insightful for reiterating some ridiculous point made on reddit like 15 years ago
Nah, people don’t get to own movies
I thought that the introduction going over the rules reminded me of some kind of sports coverage, like ESPN8 covering Dodgeball, and that it reminded more of how close that would be to Idiocracy.
I then joked that I half expected a woman in a red, white, and blue bikini holding up the round number between each question.
I then joked that I half expected a woman in a red, white, and blue bikini holding up the round number between each question.
That’s the next debate.
Trump’s idea, until he backtracks on stage and says he ‘never knew this woman.’ And Biden’s team goes along with it, thinking it will be a distraction, and somehow Biden blurts this out and makes it backfire.
This candidate brought to you by Carl’s Jr.
“I had the best environmental numbers ever,” whatever that means, is hilarious for Trump to say
If Biden is going to be replaced it has to be a huge name like AOC or Bernie. It’s too late to campaign anyone newer
The DNC would rather let Trump win than Bernie
Or AOC.
AOC technically won’t be old enough until October 13th, which I guess isn’t a problem for being sworn in in January. But I don’t see people voting for someone who just qualified weeks before the election.
I think technically she’s qualified now because she would be old enough when she takes office.
The larger problem is her gender and progressiveness. If Democrats switch horses now they need twice the amount of money and the most solid of supports.
Also, this is why we should have had a real primary. This would have come out months ago and he could have gracefully stepped aside.
Gavin Newsome? He’s got name recognition and notoriety.
Plus, he’s been moving to the right as quickly as he can for months, so the party should love him by now.
Nope.
Eh progress is a bus ride not an Uber. I’d rather a centrist than a fascist.
Wish Bernie were an option, but he’s got medical issues that make him ineligible.
Bro… AOC??? And I’m not stating this as a fact, but if Bernie became president and hiked up taxes for the wealthy, the wealthy will more than likely move their business to other nations. We need more jobs here and Bernie would cause job losses.
You are brainwashed if you think they will move their business to other countries. Number 1: they can’t. Number 2: moving to another country means they will lose the number 1 market in the world. Number 3: they still have to pay taxes on any money earned in the US.
They would move to another country to find cheaper labor…
Any company can leave the country… wat.
Regulations and money are big factors as to why a U.S. company would move its operations to another nation.
Moving operations and moving your business are 2 different things. No one is going to stop doing business here. You are very naive if you think labor costs and taxes will kill businesses. Who exactly is going to sell products here if everyone works in India or China?
We just witnessed businesses killed in California from the minimum wage increase. And if not killed, job losses:
Last September, Gov. Gavin Newsom signed California Assembly Bill 1287 into law, which includes a $20 per hour minimum wage for fast-food workers and a fast-food regulatory council which has the authority to raise the industry’s minimum wage annually. But between last fall and January, California fast-food restaurants cut about 9,500 jobs, representing a 1.3 percent change from September 2023.
On April 1, a Fosters Freeze location in Lemoore, California — about three hours north of Los Angeles — shut down. That happened to be the same day the new minimum wage, which is now $20 an hour rather than $4, kicked in for fast food workers. Some employees thought that the closure was an April Fool’s joke.Apr 13, 2024
What does that have to do with increased taxes? Again your business knowledge is severely lacking. Yes it’s very easy to scapegoat taxes and wages and claim that’s why your business closed when it was always poor business management. Payroll wages is tax deductible if you didn’t know.
That ice cream shop was established decades ago… many people in the area enjoyed going there. It had nothing to do with poor business management. Stop making excuses for taxing business owners exponentially.
lol poor business management. good grief.
The problem is that the debate doesn’t really change much… except for low information and undecided voters. They don’t know what Trump is spewing and whether it’s a lie or not. When he makes up wild claims that Biden is unanimously declared worst president in history, they don’t know that’s a lie, or that Trump is lying about capping the price of insulin or the existence of 9 month elective abortions, etc. Trump’s confident lies actually win over a lot of undecided people who don’t do any research into the topic.
This is exactly how he got elected in 2016. All he does is lie and attack and people believe him. If the moderators pushed him even slightly on his lies instead of allowing him to spew whatever bullshit he wanted for two minutes, the night would have gone much differently. Instead, Joe had to spend half of his time refuting clear lies instead of talking about his accomplishments.
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Pains me to say I agree with you. Biden with that slack jawed confused look, looking down, off into nothing, barely moving. This is Nixon/Kennedy debate x 100.
This was the only part I saw because of someone posting a clip. Jesus Fucking Christ, the man is full fledged potato
All the post-debate commentary basically says everyone they’re hearing from in the party and undecided voters were like… yeah, we are fucked.
They have even made the point that he’s not technically the nominee until the convention twice so far. I.e., we need a new candidate.
And it CAN’T BE KAMALA.
What exactly is wrong with Kamala?
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Even her own staff hates her.
Okay on the assumption you’re seriously asking. The party hasn’t allowed her to raise her profile. Likely she was told to play ball and these next four years she’d get a lot of engineered votes to preside over in the Senate and press briefing appearances to stump in. Basically allowing her to campaign for four years instead of 1.5.
The problem is she’s now largely forgotten except for her negatives.
