Man, centrist Democrats and leadership showing when the chips are down, there’s progressives on the field, they cuddle up with Republicans.
Maybe you can’t read?
The entire story is “One asshole has been rebuked by the left and center of her party” and you somehow twisted that into “All democrats are bad?”
Either learn to read or stop posting.
They’re alluding to the fact that when it comes down to it, corporate dems would endorse and support republicans over progressives because they have the same backers. This isn’t one asshole, this is part of a larger trend. Historically. When the choice is between fascism and leftist/even just progressive politics, corporate “centrist” dems will get in bed with fascists before they will support real change. Because real change hurts the bottom line or the most powerful (read: rich).
Thank you.
I upvoted your gratitude comment, I’m not a huge commenter but I’ve done similar. There’s so much decisiveness and bickering from miscommunication and misunderstanding that it’s nice seeing when people support each other through it.
Be the change you’d like to see.
The entire Democratic party stood up and said NO here. IDK what the fuck you people expect, but you have no idea what the fuck you’re talking about.
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The same party that didn’t try to lay into Cuomo for running as a spoiler candidate, that didn’t back Madamni for a mayoral position of one of the biggest cities in the USA. The same that has also ran attack ads in this same race to just not vote at all despite blue no matter who. Man, the hypocrisy amongst the Democrat establishment and their supporters are striking and damning as hell.
We kicked her out of the party within a couple of hours.
And her name is Haley Stephens, since you guys are such fucking experts on everything.
This is after months of centrist dems participating in the Islamophobic attack against AES started by the Republicans.
Tbh she probably sealed the victory for el sayed, a lot of moderate dems were cold on him but stevens endorsement of rogers is so nakedly revolting that they’re all gonna line up to vote against rogers even if they don’t love the idea of El Sayed.
I hope she gets invited to every party held by the Republicans. Dumb cunt deserves it.
Cheap politicians are bought cheaply.
Honestly I don’t think the Democrats even want the Senate because they will have to come up with excuses as to why they can’t get anything done. Schumer won’t do fuck all especially if Bibi doesn’t approve. Need to get rid of Schumer if you want any actual change.
elon is now jealous because she folded for that AIPAC money, not his own payoff money. He could’ve bought a Cybertruck with that. /s
Lmao. Shocked and heartbroken. Clueless from the start.
She’s AIPACS tool. She calls herself a “nonjewish zionist”. They hate for no reason whatsoever, based on ethnicity.
The parties reaction to this will be telling. Anything less than expulsion from the party is unacceptable. Her being the neoliberal establishment pick, even if she was clearly defeated. Makes me wonder if they’re just going to try to burn it all down on the way out.
“Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.
Yes, I just read your post down below. Good news is so rare. This is something worth celebrating a little.
I’ve never heard of this woman. Is she still running to maintain her seat in this election?
Haley Stevens is in the House. She did not run for re-election, choosing instead to run for the MI senate seat. She lost that primary to El-Sayed.
She will still be in Congress from now until the new one is seated in January. After that, she has no known job and is not running for anything at the moment.
Thank God.
The bar is so low that I’m impressed Chuck even condemned it. I hope they at least censure her.
Wait, he did? That’s low key shocking! As someone who likes working with them, its shocking that he spoke out against supporting them. Low bar indeed, but damn.
I imagine that Schumer and Jeffries are upset because it puts the spotlight on them for being publicly disloyal to Democrats that are not owned by AIPAC.
Haley Stevens is too dumb and gave away the game just like the Democratic ghoul James Carville did.
The DNC is an unfunded joke. There is an insurgent left wing coming up. This has all the makings of a dem civil war. Schumer and Jefferies are both AIPAC funded. I expect absolute and total shenanigans. Democrats will find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
AFAIK parties in America straight up can’t expel their members or otherwise control their membership. It sounds dumb but it’s the only way to make a two-party system even vaguely democratic.
Parties might not be able to purge voters from their membership, but at the very least, the Democratic Caucus can expel members by a 2/3 vote. Straight from their site, rule 1 on page 6 of the pdf they have embedded there. On the face of it, she should no longer be considered a member in good standing, and should be expelled from the Democratic Caucus as a result.
In order to maintain membership in good standing, Members shall not participate in campaign activities for any candidate in a partisan federal election who is not a Member of the Democratic Party.
I kind of figured there had to be a way for parties to prevent just anyone from running under their party, or the Republicans would have ran deliberately terrible candidates as Democrats in races to try and rig things long ago, by this stage.
To your second point: The centrists are already as terrible as they can realistically be and still win primaries (and they usually lose them anyway when progressives get serious), so that niche is already filled. There’s no point in running terrible candidates when they’re either going to lose their primaries or be Chuck Schumer clones.
Eh, I wouldn’t put it past them to run someone and keep handlers on them at all times to win the primary, and then let them loose on their own during the general election, if such a thing were feasible. The one thing I have confidence in the GOP to do, besides line their pockets, is any dirty trick they think they can get away with, no matter how crazy a scheme is involved, if it’ll let them get ahead and cement their own power. Besides, there was a point where those centrists certainly did play better with the general population than anyone even accused of being a socialist not all that long ago, and I don’t think the GOP of the time had much in the way of moral scruples back then, either.
That’s theoretically possible, but there’s a limit to how well people can repeatedly lie about their core beliefs. Also it’s not as if progressives aren’t watching out for stuff like that; most potential plants will have some kind of history that can be inspected to ascertain their intentions, and large-scale conspiracies have a tendency to leak. It’s not impossible (see: Fetterman), but the noteworthiness of Fetterman should tell you how hard it is to pull this kind of thing off, and even Fetterman had people warning about him during his campaign, not to mention he literally had a stroke. So basically the GOP doesn’t do this sort of thing more/at all because it’s really hard to pull off and would have diminishing returns as people wisen up (again the progressive attitude post-Fetterman is informative). They probably have better (meaning worse) things to be doing.
I’m kinda scratching my head over his statement but the party system in the US is weird. States have their own parties.
It IS entirely possible she never registered with the Michigan Party, and was backed by the DNC exclusively. The DNC has way more money and can get candidates to Primary quite easily.
Wait, she’s not Jewish??
I say this as a Jewish anti-zionist: what the actual fuck?? Like… I grew up indoctrinated into zionism and left when I got old enough to start paying attention to news. So… what’s her damage?
Maybe this sounds silly, but I have a lot of pity for Jewish liberal zionists. It’s a cult. And I’m familiar with Christian Nationalist zionists (also a cult, but different one). I feel sympathy for people operating on childhood brainwashing.
And I kind of get folks like Biden, who probably formed an opinion before '67.
But what’s her fucking deal? I can have grace for people who were born into this or are really old, but she just sounds like she learned that Israel is an apartheid state in college and said, ‘Neato!’
I am so much more disgusted with her now than I was when I assumed that she was a member of the tribe. ULGH.
Apparently her fiancé is Jewish.
Fellow Jewish anti Zionist here. The answer is easy… AIPAC money. She could be an apocalypse seeking Nat-C, but most likely just the cash.
I don’t buy it.
You can find countless politicians – most of the Democratic party – who have learned how to support Israel in 2026: you promise in a closed door meeting to guarantee funding for Likud, never bring up Israel unprompted, and if asked, talk about how terrible Netanyahu’s leadership has been for Jewish security. And then you launder the cash as hard as you can and hope no one notices.
Most AIPAC candidates don’t talk about Israel these days. AIPAC is well known for running ads on whatever topic seems most likely to hurt their critics without talking about Israel.
I think Stevenson started from a place of being a pro-imperialist nat sec ghoul, but now is just having a public mental breakdown, tbh.
By all accounts she’s not too bright AND being pressured by her Zionist fiancée to toe the party line.
You’re absolutely right that AIPAC has become very unpopular in some circles and ‘smart’ democrats owned by them keep their mouths shut for the most part.
There’s also the possibility she’s just not very bright.
Anyone “stunned” by corporate Democrats being DINOs isn’t paying attention.
Even the dems are sick of her shit - they kicked her out of the party right before she made this endorsement.
Ahh, spiteful bitch syndrome
Oh shit, I thought it was after
From what I read, the announcement was after but the actual kicking-out was right before.
Weird, if that’s the case I’m curious as to why she was kicked out. Though everything I’m seeing is implying that endorsing Rogers was the final straw
It seems to have coincided with El-Sayed uninviting her from a campaign appearance on Sunday, after which she appears to have then decided to go endorse Rogers instead. Someone else linked an article in this comment section where they reached out to the mich. dems right after the sunday endorsement and it’s they had already kicked her out, so either they got to it crazy promptly or they’d ousted her amid all the outright hostility between her and El-Sayed.
(Sorry if that’s badly worded, I am still super hungover pls be kind)
Makes sense lol. It did seem really quick so your story did track, I just also could see it being the final straw and a very quick process because it was foreseen, and was trying to figure it out
Good luck with the hangover!
Yeah, my inner gossip hopes we get more details but eeh I’m sure there will be far more chaos to distract us.
And thank you! Liquid-IV to the rescue…
Exactly. Schumer – the epitome of a corporate Dem – supported Stevens in the primary, and today is calling her flip a “despicable betrayal,” but until today his support for El-Sayed as the Dem candidate has only ever been unenthusiastic at best.
I mean that’s fairly honest from him. He doesn’t like the idea of the party moving left, but he knows it’s better then republicans destroying us all with their gigafascist tilt. Today he also said he was in support of AES, in response to the Stevens situation.
Today he also said he was in support of AES
After Stevens’ open defection he had no choice. If he doesn’t, he gets outed too, because he supported her so strongly in the primary.
Or to put it another way, she put a shiv in El-Sayed’s back, sure, but it could be argued that it was a much bigger shiv in Schumer’s back.
El-Sayed is surrounded by enemies of all kinds who are united in keeping the status quo unchanged. Schumer is not, and willingly brought the weight and power of his own position to help Stevens.
In the end Stevens is just more water off the back of El-Sayed, who is making his own way regardless of all those coming at him, always has, and he was not thrown off his own course in the slightest. On the other hand, Schumer is struggling in a number of ways.
So it begs the question: who bears the greater betrayal? It would have been very odd if Schumer had not vocally supported El-Sayed today. He may well need that favor back in days to come.
The state party officials need to expel her from the party. Even if it would only have a symbolic effect they need to make clear that this is unacceptable for anyone who calls themselves a Democrat. If moderates ask progressives to “vote blue no matter who” and then turn around to endorse collaborators then they need to get the boot.
“Congresswoman Stevens is not a current member of the Michigan Democratic Party, nor will she be in the future,” Michigan Democratic Party Chair Curtis Hertel wrote on X Sunday.
“Senate Democrats are united in our support for Abdul El-Sayed, because we know he will fight for the economic interests of working families in Michigan, unlike Mike Rogers, who is a tool of Donald Trump and billionaire donors,” [Chuck Schumer] said.
For once Schumer is 100% right.
This coming from Schumer is honestly almost as shocking as Stevens choosing to completely burn her bridges with the Democratic Party.
Schumer says whatever toady thing he needs to to keep his job.
My Chinese room theory of politics: I don’t actually care whether anyone truly believes what they say. Words speak louder than thoughts and actions speak louder than words. As long as someone is useful as an implement to enacting progressive policy priorities, successful at shepherding legislation, and campaigns for the election of progressives, or can be strong-armed into doing the above three, I could not care less whether they actually believe in what they say.
At the margin, sincere belief is still better. Which is to say, Schumer should still be replaced with an actual progressive/leftist/socialist at the earliest opportunity, regardless of how he tries to pivot to act like one. I’ll appreciate the cynical pivot in the interim, but that’s as far as it goes.
As much as I don’t like Schumer he is as lukewarm as it gets which can be both good and bad. He does actually care about American interests for the most part.
Already removed her from the Michigan Democratic leader website, too.
If moderates ask progressives to “vote blue no matter who”
Worth saying that applies to the general only. I’m a progressive and I say: Vote progressive as far as you can. Always vote for the most progressive (or least regressive) candidate. In the general election, that’s gonna be blue over red. In the primary, that’s any progressive candidate. “Blue no matter who” is just expressing the pragmatic general rule of thumb. I haven’t seen any exceptions to that - I’ve never seen a Republican that wasn’t more regressive than an establishment Democrat option.
Thank you, I wish more people understood this.
What OP said, but also parties in America don’t get to control their membership. Anyone can run as a candidate of any party if they can win the primary.
Quick bit of pedantry - they dont get to control state registration, which is not the same as membership in the local party.
Fun fact: in the US, political parties can’t expel anyone from their party. Anyone can choose to join any party at any time.
This is partially true. State Parties do own party affiliation on a ballot. Many states have codified party affiliations so you can only run as Hitler (D) if you have won the State Democratic Party Primary. But if you don’t win the Primary, you can still appear on the Ballot, you just have to run as your own party, or (I) or whatever. You can certainly still call yourself a Democrat, or a Republican, or whatever, but how you will appear on the ballot won’t be under the democrat ticket.
But if you don’t win the Primary, you can still appear on the Ballot
Yes, only one party member can proceed from the primary to the general. But that’s just the nature of the process. It doesn’t bestow the party any choice of candidates.
For the primary the Party can choose to disqualify a candidate from being able to run in the primary, but obviously that has to be done before the primary, once that happens it’s too late and there is no mechanism to remove a candidate once the general ballot has been certified.
Clearly the person we all knew she was.
also bodes well for El Seyed being the man we hope he is
So does the republican party have a load of sleeper agents in the democratic party that it activates when needed?
No. It’s not that she was a “secret republican” it’s that there isn’t a difference when it comes to supporting Israel, or being owned by a Capitalist. Sure maybe she doesn’t think gay-people should be burned at the stake. But she is absolutely in support of public-private markets, which is the only thing that capitalists give a fuck about. No one is getting paid to be a bigot, but if they were, people like Steven’s would absolutely be trying to get in on that.
Judging by the number of times enough Dems voted with Republicans when they had a chance to actually accomplish something, it certainly seems so from outside the usa
It’s not Republicans, it’s Israel and it’s both parties. Israel is worried because the progressive candidates have a real chance this election and are performing on not spending billions on Israel as well as health and wealth reform.
Yes, but also there’s plenty of Democrat bigots. A lot of them are “centrist” and/or “moderate.”
Is the Democratic Party fundamentally a right-wing party?
Yes. The original meaning of left wing and right wing were the radical and conservative wings of the French parliament; the former being for liberalism, the later for monarchism. It has since kept its same meaning, progression or regression.
The DNC’s official party stances are objectively regression. Progression, at this stage of socioeconomic development for the US, would be socialism. Actually it’d just be social capitalism since we have the worst social safety net of all advanced economies in world history, but given the party’s opposition to medicare for all, it cannot even manage that.
The left wing starts at anti-capitalism in all places with established capitalist markets.
No. AIPAC mostly funds Democrats, who are neoliberal. So we only have two right wing parties. There isn’t anyone to “activate”. Corporate Dems believe in business interests as a priority and that is how they behave.
Yes. Tricia Cotham in NC. She got elected to state level seat as a Democrat and switched parties. And voted opposite what she promised. Then NC GOP gerrymandered again.
It is odd seeing someone do political self immolation for no reason at all. I’m starting to think Haley isn’t the brightest bulb in the pack.
She’s gonna be an aipac lobbyist after this. These people don’t do a goddamn thing if there isn’t a lot of money coming there way
The reason is obvious. She is falling on the sword to save Israel. The last 2 years may have done irreparable damage to my view on Israel. I don’t think I will ever vote for a candidate who takes aipac money or supports Israel for the rest of my life.
It’s either money or blackmail. That’s what it is for most of those out there making questionable decisions that go against what is right and good. There is lots of money and lots of blackmail currently floating around right now.
She appears to have united the party.
Do they have something on her? I’ve never seen something like this before.
She has an abusive husband who berated her in public for disappointing “them.”
Incredible. From what I understand, she’s only been with this “fiancee” for 7 months, and this makes him seem more like a Handler than a fiancee. Is this a Mossad Honeypot situation?
Yeah, definitely walks and talks like a handler. Honestly she looked under duress in that CNN interview.
Not husband, fiancee, and they’ve not been together a full year yet. He says he’s a democrat, but has donated to Republicans as well (Susan Collins just last year, to name one, and it was over 24k).
“everyone is disappointed in you” is very much a mossad move
How so?
No. She’s never been the sharpest bulb.
I like this. Sharpest tool. Brightest bulb.
I call myself a rocket surgeon. I neither work on rockets nor engage in neurosurgery.
(graphic stolen somewhere years ago.)
She’s dumber than a 2nd coat of paint.
A perfect recruit for an AIPAC democrat.
Fetterman 2.0 minus the stroke but double the Israel support.
At least she’s out of office in 3 months. We have Fetterman for 2 more years in PA.
Stevens voice Israel comes to me in my dreams!
Seems like a lot of people in power or seeking power are there to make sure Israel continues to get American taxpayer money, endless weapons, legal immunity and the willingness to go to send American troops to die for Israel.
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I thought this felt familiar and now I remember why. In the NYC mayor race, one Democratic candidate, Jessica Ramos, had the endorsement of the Working Families Party, but since she was struggling to gain traction she ended up endorsing Cuomo with the hopes of gaining a role in his potential administration. Everyone was equally shocked then and WFP immediately revoked their endorsement of her.
